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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, colin.king@canonical.com,
	raghu.prabhu13@gmail.com, jack@suse.cz, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	cl@linux.com, penberg@kernel.org, riel@redhat.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:09:33 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1305691773.2580.1.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110517103840.GL5279@suse.de>

On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 11:38 +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 08:50:44AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > Don't we have to move cond_resched?
> > 
> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index 292582c..633e761 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > @@ -231,8 +231,10 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
> >         if (scanned == 0)
> >                 scanned = SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX;
> > 
> > -       if (!down_read_trylock(&shrinker_rwsem))
> > -               return 1;       /* Assume we'll be able to shrink next time */
> > +       if (!down_read_trylock(&shrinker_rwsem)) {
> > +               ret = 1;
> > +               goto out; /* Assume we'll be able to shrink next time */
> > +       }
> > 
> >         list_for_each_entry(shrinker, &shrinker_list, list) {
> >                 unsigned long long delta;
> > @@ -280,12 +282,14 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
> >                         count_vm_events(SLABS_SCANNED, this_scan);
> >                         total_scan -= this_scan;
> > 
> > -                       cond_resched();
> >                 }
> > 
> >                 shrinker->nr += total_scan;
> > +               cond_resched();
> >         }
> >         up_read(&shrinker_rwsem);
> > +out:
> > +       cond_resched();
> >         return ret;
> >  }
> > 
> 
> This makes some sense for the exit path but if one or more of the
> shrinkers takes a very long time without sleeping (extremely long
> list searches for example) then kswapd will not call cond_resched()
> between shrinkers and still consume a lot of CPU.
> 
> > >
> > > balance_pgdat() only calls cond_resched if the zones are not
> > >        balanced. For a high-order allocation that is balanced, it
> > >        checks order-0 again. During that window, order-0 might have
> > >        become unbalanced so it loops again for order-0 and returns
> > >        that was reclaiming for order-0 to kswapd(). It can then find
> > >        that a caller has rewoken kswapd for a high-order and re-enters
> > >        balance_pgdat() without ever have called cond_resched().
> > 
> > If kswapd reclaims order-o followed by high order, it would have a
> > chance to call cond_resched in shrink_page_list. But if all zones are
> > all_unreclaimable is set, balance_pgdat could return any work. Okay.
> > It does make sense.
> > By your scenario, someone wakes up kswapd with higher order, again.
> > So re-enters balance_pgdat without ever have called cond_resched.
> > But if someone wakes up higher order again, we can't have a chance to
> > call kswapd_try_to_sleep. So your patch effect would be nop, too.
> > 
> > It would be better to put cond_resched after balance_pgdat?
> > 
> 
> Which will leave kswapd runnable instead of going to sleep but
> guarantees a scheduling point. Lets see if the problem is that
> cond_resched is being missed although if this was the case then patch
> 4 would truly be a no-op but Colin has already reported that patch 1 on
> its own didn't fix his problem. If the problem is sandybridge-specific
> where kswapd remains runnable and consuming large amounts of CPU in
> turbo mode then we know that there are other cond_resched() decisions
> that will need to be revisited.
> 
> Colin or James, would you be willing to test with patch 1 from this
> series and Minchan's patch below? Thanks.

Yes, but unfortunately I'm on the road at the moment.  I won't get back
to the laptop showing the problem until late on Tuesday (24th).  If it
works for Colin, I'd assume it's OK.

James


> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index 292582c..61c45d0 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > @@ -2753,6 +2753,7 @@ static int kswapd(void *p)
> >                 if (!ret) {
> >                         trace_mm_vmscan_kswapd_wake(pgdat->node_id, order);
> >                         order = balance_pgdat(pgdat, order, &classzone_idx);
> > +                       cond_resched();
> >                 }
> >         }
> >         return 0;
> > 
> > >
> > > While it appears unlikely, there are bad conditions which can result
> > > in cond_resched() being avoided.
> > 
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mel Gorman
> > > SUSE Labs
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kind regards,
> > Minchan Kim
> 



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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, colin.king@canonical.com,
	raghu.prabhu13@gmail.com, jack@suse.cz, chris.mason@oracle.com,
	cl@linux.com, penberg@kernel.org, riel@redhat.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:09:33 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1305691773.2580.1.camel@mulgrave.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110517103840.GL5279@suse.de>

On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 11:38 +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 08:50:44AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > Don't we have to move cond_resched?
> > 
> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index 292582c..633e761 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > @@ -231,8 +231,10 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
> >         if (scanned == 0)
> >                 scanned = SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX;
> > 
> > -       if (!down_read_trylock(&shrinker_rwsem))
> > -               return 1;       /* Assume we'll be able to shrink next time */
> > +       if (!down_read_trylock(&shrinker_rwsem)) {
> > +               ret = 1;
> > +               goto out; /* Assume we'll be able to shrink next time */
> > +       }
> > 
> >         list_for_each_entry(shrinker, &shrinker_list, list) {
> >                 unsigned long long delta;
> > @@ -280,12 +282,14 @@ unsigned long shrink_slab(struct shrink_control *shrink,
> >                         count_vm_events(SLABS_SCANNED, this_scan);
> >                         total_scan -= this_scan;
> > 
> > -                       cond_resched();
> >                 }
> > 
> >                 shrinker->nr += total_scan;
> > +               cond_resched();
> >         }
> >         up_read(&shrinker_rwsem);
> > +out:
> > +       cond_resched();
> >         return ret;
> >  }
> > 
> 
> This makes some sense for the exit path but if one or more of the
> shrinkers takes a very long time without sleeping (extremely long
> list searches for example) then kswapd will not call cond_resched()
> between shrinkers and still consume a lot of CPU.
> 
> > >
> > > balance_pgdat() only calls cond_resched if the zones are not
> > >        balanced. For a high-order allocation that is balanced, it
> > >        checks order-0 again. During that window, order-0 might have
> > >        become unbalanced so it loops again for order-0 and returns
> > >        that was reclaiming for order-0 to kswapd(). It can then find
> > >        that a caller has rewoken kswapd for a high-order and re-enters
> > >        balance_pgdat() without ever have called cond_resched().
> > 
> > If kswapd reclaims order-o followed by high order, it would have a
> > chance to call cond_resched in shrink_page_list. But if all zones are
> > all_unreclaimable is set, balance_pgdat could return any work. Okay.
> > It does make sense.
> > By your scenario, someone wakes up kswapd with higher order, again.
> > So re-enters balance_pgdat without ever have called cond_resched.
> > But if someone wakes up higher order again, we can't have a chance to
> > call kswapd_try_to_sleep. So your patch effect would be nop, too.
> > 
> > It would be better to put cond_resched after balance_pgdat?
> > 
> 
> Which will leave kswapd runnable instead of going to sleep but
> guarantees a scheduling point. Lets see if the problem is that
> cond_resched is being missed although if this was the case then patch
> 4 would truly be a no-op but Colin has already reported that patch 1 on
> its own didn't fix his problem. If the problem is sandybridge-specific
> where kswapd remains runnable and consuming large amounts of CPU in
> turbo mode then we know that there are other cond_resched() decisions
> that will need to be revisited.
> 
> Colin or James, would you be willing to test with patch 1 from this
> series and Minchan's patch below? Thanks.

Yes, but unfortunately I'm on the road at the moment.  I won't get back
to the laptop showing the problem until late on Tuesday (24th).  If it
works for Colin, I'd assume it's OK.

James


> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index 292582c..61c45d0 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > @@ -2753,6 +2753,7 @@ static int kswapd(void *p)
> >                 if (!ret) {
> >                         trace_mm_vmscan_kswapd_wake(pgdat->node_id, order);
> >                         order = balance_pgdat(pgdat, order, &classzone_idx);
> > +                       cond_resched();
> >                 }
> >         }
> >         return 0;
> > 
> > >
> > > While it appears unlikely, there are bad conditions which can result
> > > in cond_resched() being avoided.
> > 
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mel Gorman
> > > SUSE Labs
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kind regards,
> > Minchan Kim
> 


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-18  4:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-13 14:03 [PATCH 0/4] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations V2 Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: vmscan: Correct use of pgdat_balanced in sleeping_prematurely Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:28   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-13 14:28     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-14 16:30   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-14 16:30     ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 14:30   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-16 14:30     ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: slub: Do not wake kswapd for SLUBs speculative high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 21:10   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-16 21:10     ` David Rientjes
2011-05-18  6:09     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-18  6:09       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-18 17:21       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-18 17:21         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: slub: Do not take expensive steps " Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 21:16   ` David Rientjes
2011-05-16 21:16     ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17  8:42     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17  8:42       ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 13:51       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 13:51         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 16:22         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 16:22           ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 17:52           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 17:52             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 19:35             ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17 19:35               ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17 19:31       ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17 19:31         ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-15 10:27   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-15 10:27     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-16  4:21     ` James Bottomley
2011-05-16  4:21       ` James Bottomley
2011-05-16  5:04       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16  5:04         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16  8:45         ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:45           ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:45           ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:58           ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16  8:58             ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16  8:58             ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 10:27             ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 10:27               ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 10:27               ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 23:50               ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 23:50                 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17  0:48                 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17  0:48                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17  0:48                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17 10:38                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 10:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 10:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 13:50                   ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-17 13:50                     ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-17 16:15                     ` [PATCH] mm: vmscan: Correctly check if reclaimer should schedule during shrink_slab Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 16:15                       ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18  0:45                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  0:45                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-19  0:03                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19  0:03                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19  0:03                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19  0:09                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19  0:09                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19  0:09                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19 11:36                         ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-19 11:36                           ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-20  0:06                           ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-20  0:06                             ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-20  0:06                             ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  4:19                     ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  4:19                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  7:39                       ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-18  7:39                         ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-18  4:09                   ` James Bottomley [this message]
2011-05-18  4:09                     ` James Bottomley
2011-05-18  1:05                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  1:05                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  5:44                   ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  5:44                     ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  5:44                     ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18  6:05                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  6:05                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  9:58                     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18  9:58                       ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18  9:58                       ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18 22:55                       ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 22:55                         ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 23:54                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18 23:54                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  0:26               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  0:26                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  9:57                 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18  9:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:45     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:45       ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 14:30   ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-16 14:30     ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-13 15:19 ` [PATCH 0/4] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations V2 James Bottomley
2011-05-13 15:19   ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 15:19   ` James Bottomley
2011-05-13 15:52   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 15:52     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 15:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 15:21   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 15:43   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 15:43     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-14  8:34 ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-14  8:34   ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-16  8:37   ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16  8:37     ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 11:24     ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-16 11:24       ` Colin Ian King

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