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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Kay, Allen M" <allen.m.kay@intel.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "igvt-g@ml01.01.org" <igvt-g@ml01.01.org>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Cao jin <caoj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"vfio-users@redhat.com" <vfio-users@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] [iGVT-g] [vfio-users] [PATCH v3 00/11] igd passthrough chipset tweaks
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 15:06:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1454425564.4788.61.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1454424840.10542.18.camel@redhat.com>

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On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 07:54 -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> 
> I first glance I like it, but there's a problem, it assumes there is a
> host driver for the device that will permanently release the device from
> the RMRR even after the device is unbound.  Currently we don't have a
> requirement that the user must first bind the device to a native host
> driver, unbind it, and only then is it eligible for device assignment.

It doesn't *have* to be a full native driver. It can be a PCI quirk
(the USB controllers could potentially do it that way, although they
don't). Or a stub 'shut it down' driver, potentially even done somehow
through VFIO.

But fundamentally, in all of these cases you have to do *something* to
stop the BIOS-controlled DMA. Otherwise the RMRR shouldn't have been
there in the first place, surely?

But for the gfx case... what *do* we have to do? Does the VMM (and the
VM's BIOS, between them) have to provision a "stolen" region of guest
memory and point the gfx framebuffer at that?

Once we have a proper handle on precisely what needs to happen, we can
have a better conversation about where/how to do that...

-- 
David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse@intel.com                              Intel Corporation


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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Kay, Allen M" <allen.m.kay@intel.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "igvt-g@ml01.01.org" <igvt-g@ml01.01.org>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Cao jin <caoj.fnst@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	"vfio-users@redhat.com" <vfio-users@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [iGVT-g] [vfio-users] [PATCH v3 00/11] igd passthrough chipset tweaks
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 15:06:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1454425564.4788.61.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1454424840.10542.18.camel@redhat.com>

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On Tue, 2016-02-02 at 07:54 -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> 
> I first glance I like it, but there's a problem, it assumes there is a
> host driver for the device that will permanently release the device from
> the RMRR even after the device is unbound.  Currently we don't have a
> requirement that the user must first bind the device to a native host
> driver, unbind it, and only then is it eligible for device assignment.

It doesn't *have* to be a full native driver. It can be a PCI quirk
(the USB controllers could potentially do it that way, although they
don't). Or a stub 'shut it down' driver, potentially even done somehow
through VFIO.

But fundamentally, in all of these cases you have to do *something* to
stop the BIOS-controlled DMA. Otherwise the RMRR shouldn't have been
there in the first place, surely?

But for the gfx case... what *do* we have to do? Does the VMM (and the
VM's BIOS, between them) have to provision a "stolen" region of guest
memory and point the gfx framebuffer at that?

Once we have a proper handle on precisely what needs to happen, we can
have a better conversation about where/how to do that...

-- 
David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse@intel.com                              Intel Corporation


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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-02 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-05 11:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/11] igd passthrough chipset tweaks Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 01/11] pc: wire up TYPE_IGD_PASSTHROUGH_I440FX_PCI_DEVICE for !xen Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 02/11] pc: remove has_igd_gfx_passthru global Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 14:32   ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 14:32     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-19 15:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-19 15:09     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 03/11] pc: move igd support code to igd.c Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 04/11] igd: switch TYPE_IGD_PASSTHROUGH_I440FX_PCI_DEVICE to realize Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 14:32   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 14:32     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-23 14:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-23 14:51     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-25  8:59     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-25  8:59       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-25 11:53       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-25 11:53         ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 05/11] igd: TYPE_IGD_PASSTHROUGH_I440FX_PCI_DEVICE: call parent realize Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 14:41   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 14:41     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 15:45     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 15:45       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-19 15:13       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-19 15:13         ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-20  9:10         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-20  9:10           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-23 14:52           ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-23 14:52             ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 06/11] igd: use defines for standard pci config space offsets Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 14:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 14:43     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 07/11] igd: revamp host config read Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 15:02   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 15:02     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 15:51     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 15:51       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 16:23       ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 16:23         ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 08/11] igd: add q35 support Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 09/11] igd: move igd-passthrough-isa-bridge to igd.c too Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 10/11] igd: handle igd-passthrough-isa-bridge setup in realize() Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 15:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 15:29     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 15:52     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 15:52       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 11/11] igd: move igd-passthrough-isa-bridge creation to machine init Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-05 11:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-06 15:36   ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-06 15:36     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-07  7:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-07  7:38       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-07 13:10       ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-07 13:10         ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-07 15:50         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-07 15:50           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-08 11:20           ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-08 11:20             ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-08 12:12             ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-08 12:12               ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-08 12:32               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-08 12:32                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-08 12:38                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-08 12:38                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-05 13:07 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/11] igd passthrough chipset tweaks Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-05 13:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-28 19:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [vfio-users] " Alex Williamson
2016-01-28 19:35   ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-29  2:22   ` [Qemu-devel] [iGVT-g] " Kay, Allen M
2016-01-29  2:22     ` Kay, Allen M
2016-01-29  2:54     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-01-29  2:54       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-29  6:21       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jike Song
2016-01-29  6:21         ` Jike Song
2016-01-29 21:58       ` [Qemu-devel] " Kay, Allen M
2016-01-29 21:58         ` Kay, Allen M
2016-02-02  7:07         ` [Qemu-devel] " Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02  7:07           ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 19:10           ` [Qemu-devel] " Kay, Allen M
2016-02-02 19:10             ` [iGVT-g] " Kay, Allen M
2016-02-02 19:37             ` [Qemu-devel] [iGVT-g] [vfio-users] " Alex Williamson
2016-02-02 19:37               ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-02 23:32               ` [Qemu-devel] " Kay, Allen M
2016-02-02 23:32                 ` Kay, Allen M
2016-01-29  7:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-29  7:09     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-01-29 17:59     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-01-29 17:59       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-30  1:18       ` [Qemu-devel] [iGVT-g] " Kay, Allen M
2016-01-30  1:18         ` Kay, Allen M
2016-01-31 17:42         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-01-31 17:42           ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-02  0:04           ` [Qemu-devel] " Kay, Allen M
2016-02-02  0:04             ` Kay, Allen M
2016-02-02  6:42             ` [Qemu-devel] [Xen-devel] " Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02  6:42               ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 11:50               ` [Qemu-devel] " David Woodhouse
2016-02-02 11:50                 ` David Woodhouse
2016-02-02 14:54                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-02-02 14:54                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-02 15:06                   ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2016-02-02 15:06                     ` David Woodhouse
2016-02-02 14:38             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-02-02 14:38               ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-01 12:49       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-01 12:49         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-01 22:16         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-02-01 22:16           ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-02  7:43           ` [Qemu-devel] [vfio-users] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02  7:43             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02  7:01         ` [Qemu-devel] [iGVT-g] " Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02  7:01           ` [iGVT-g] " Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02  8:56           ` [Qemu-devel] [iGVT-g] [vfio-users] " Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02  8:56             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02 16:31             ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2016-02-02 16:31               ` Kevin O'Connor
2016-02-02 16:49               ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-02 16:49                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2016-02-02 20:18               ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2016-02-02 20:18                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-03  6:08             ` [Qemu-devel] " Tian, Kevin
2016-02-03  6:08               ` Tian, Kevin

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