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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Stanislav Meduna <stano@meduna.org>,
	"linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM Kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: BUG: spinlock trylock failure on UP, i.MX28 3.12.15-rt25
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:15:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140423081525.0e9b863f@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53576859.8060706@linutronix.de>

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:14:33 +0200
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> wrote:

> On 04/22/2014 08:16 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > --- a/kernel/timer.c
> > +++ b/kernel/timer.c
> > @@ -1447,6 +1447,12 @@ static void run_timer_softirq(struct softirq_action *h)
> >  		__run_timers(base);
> >  }
> >  
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
> > +#define timer_should_raise_softirq(lock)	!spin_do_trylock(lock)
> > +#else
> > +#define timer_should_raise_softirq(lock)	1
> > +#endif
> > +
> 
> No. The lock may be taken but it also may be available no matter if UP
> or not. With this patch applied the lockdep splat will go away but the
> FULL_NO_HZ people will come back because the timer softirq is scheduled
> even if no timer has expired.

Although, as Peter said FULL_NO_HZ is pretty pointless on UP, but I've
been thinking this from a non PREEMPT_RT viewpoint. In non PREEMPT_RT,
spin_locks() are nops, where this is an issue, but in PREEMPT_RT, they
are mutexes, BUT!

The rt_mutex use wait_lock to protect its internal state, which is a raw
spinlock, and in UP it's a nop. That means there's nothing preventing
an interrupt here from corrupting the rtmutex's internal state. I see
this is still an issue, and the warning is still valid.

-- Steve

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: rostedt@goodmis.org (Steven Rostedt)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: BUG: spinlock trylock failure on UP, i.MX28 3.12.15-rt25
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:15:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140423081525.0e9b863f@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53576859.8060706@linutronix.de>

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:14:33 +0200
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> wrote:

> On 04/22/2014 08:16 PM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > --- a/kernel/timer.c
> > +++ b/kernel/timer.c
> > @@ -1447,6 +1447,12 @@ static void run_timer_softirq(struct softirq_action *h)
> >  		__run_timers(base);
> >  }
> >  
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
> > +#define timer_should_raise_softirq(lock)	!spin_do_trylock(lock)
> > +#else
> > +#define timer_should_raise_softirq(lock)	1
> > +#endif
> > +
> 
> No. The lock may be taken but it also may be available no matter if UP
> or not. With this patch applied the lockdep splat will go away but the
> FULL_NO_HZ people will come back because the timer softirq is scheduled
> even if no timer has expired.

Although, as Peter said FULL_NO_HZ is pretty pointless on UP, but I've
been thinking this from a non PREEMPT_RT viewpoint. In non PREEMPT_RT,
spin_locks() are nops, where this is an issue, but in PREEMPT_RT, they
are mutexes, BUT!

The rt_mutex use wait_lock to protect its internal state, which is a raw
spinlock, and in UP it's a nop. That means there's nothing preventing
an interrupt here from corrupting the rtmutex's internal state. I see
this is still an issue, and the warning is still valid.

-- Steve

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-23 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-14 19:24 BUG: spinlock trylock failure on UP, i.MX28 3.12.15-rt25 Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-14 23:45 ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-14 23:45   ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-15 22:08   ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-15 22:08     ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-17 16:29     ` BUG: spinlock trylock failure on UP - reverting timer patches helps Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-17 16:29       ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-17 22:55       ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-17 22:55         ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-17 23:10         ` jordan
2014-04-17 23:10           ` jordan
2014-04-18  1:15           ` jordan
2014-04-18  1:15             ` jordan
2014-04-18  1:15             ` jordan
2014-04-18 14:45           ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-18 14:45             ` Stanislav Meduna
2014-04-18 15:09             ` jordan
2014-04-18 15:09               ` jordan
2014-04-22 11:54     ` BUG: spinlock trylock failure on UP, i.MX28 3.12.15-rt25 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-22 11:54       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-22 13:46       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-22 13:46         ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-22 14:09         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 14:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-23  8:10           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-23  8:10             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-23  8:50             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-23  8:50               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 16:51         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-22 16:51           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-22 17:48           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-22 17:48             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-22 18:16             ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-22 18:16               ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-23  7:14               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-23  7:14                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-04-23  8:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-23  8:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-23 12:15                 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2014-04-23 12:15                   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 18:38               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-05-02 18:38                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-05-02 19:01                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-02 19:01                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-02 19:36                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-02 19:36                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-02 19:37                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2014-05-02 19:37                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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