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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	P??draig Brady <P@draigBrady.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <Anna.Schumaker@netapp.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	zab@zabbo.net, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, clm@fb.com,
	mtk.manpages@gmail.com, andros@netapp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:35:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151015083547.GR31326@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151014184608.GK850@birch.djwong.org>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:46:08AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:29:59AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:41:06PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > One of the patches in last week's XFS reflink patchbomb adds FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE
> > > flag; at the moment it _only_ forces copy-on-write of shared blocks, and it
> > > leaves holes alone.
> > 
> > Yes, I've seen the implementation. 
> > 
> > > Obviously we haven't yet figured out what are peoples' preferences in terms of
> > > "fill the holes and unshare the shared" vs. "only unshare the shared" vs. "only
> > > fill the holes".  It isn't that hard to add a FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_FILL_HOLES flag
> > > that fills the holes while unsharing is going on.
> > > 
> > > Personally I suspect that the most interest is in filling holes and unsharing,
> > > because they don't want to pay for allocation at a critical stage for anywhere
> > > in the file.  But I could be wrong, so allowing both goals to be expressed via
> > > mode allows flexibility.
> > 
> > Exactly.  And a normal falloc should do just that - fill holes and
> > ensure that we don't need to COW already allocated locks.  So I don't
> > think we need a new fallocate interface for that.
> 
> The documentation for fallocate ought to be updated to include that as part of
> guaranteeing that subsequent writes to the range won't fail due to ENOSPC,
> shared blocks will be unshared.
> 
> Incidentally, btrfs leaves shared blocks alone.  OTOH, given that it's totally
> COW it probably doesn't make sense to unshare blocks anyway... but maybe I
> also don't want to dive into btrfs f-allocation behavior at this time. :)
> 
> Ok, so I'll rework the XFS funshare code into something that hangs off the
> regular fallocate call, and get rid of the explicit 'funshare' bits.

Makes sense given we have the FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE operation which
returns a zero to and preallocates all the holes in the range. I
would expect this operation on shared blocks to unshare blocks,
too...

> > The question is if we
> > want a copy interface that gives you the same semantics as if you also
> > called an fallocate on the destination range.  For that case we'd
> > usually want to avoid doing the clone and instead do a in-kernel or
> > hardware assisted copy and then fill the holes with unwritten extents.

If hole filling was required, then I'd do the operation the other
way around - prealloc the entire range, then do hardware assisted
copy of each separate data range in the source file with unwritten
extent conversion on offload completion...

> Probably; I can easily imagine people wanting to fill the holes and also
> not wanting them filled.

*nod*.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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From: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	P??draig Brady <P@draigBrady.com>,
	Anna Schumaker
	<Anna.Schumaker-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	zab-ugsP4Wv/S6ZeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
	viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org,
	clm-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org,
	mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	andros-HgOvQuBEEgTQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:35:47 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151015083547.GR31326@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151014184608.GK850-PTl6brltDGh4DFYR7WNSRA@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:46:08AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:29:59AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 04:41:06PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > One of the patches in last week's XFS reflink patchbomb adds FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE
> > > flag; at the moment it _only_ forces copy-on-write of shared blocks, and it
> > > leaves holes alone.
> > 
> > Yes, I've seen the implementation. 
> > 
> > > Obviously we haven't yet figured out what are peoples' preferences in terms of
> > > "fill the holes and unshare the shared" vs. "only unshare the shared" vs. "only
> > > fill the holes".  It isn't that hard to add a FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_FILL_HOLES flag
> > > that fills the holes while unsharing is going on.
> > > 
> > > Personally I suspect that the most interest is in filling holes and unsharing,
> > > because they don't want to pay for allocation at a critical stage for anywhere
> > > in the file.  But I could be wrong, so allowing both goals to be expressed via
> > > mode allows flexibility.
> > 
> > Exactly.  And a normal falloc should do just that - fill holes and
> > ensure that we don't need to COW already allocated locks.  So I don't
> > think we need a new fallocate interface for that.
> 
> The documentation for fallocate ought to be updated to include that as part of
> guaranteeing that subsequent writes to the range won't fail due to ENOSPC,
> shared blocks will be unshared.
> 
> Incidentally, btrfs leaves shared blocks alone.  OTOH, given that it's totally
> COW it probably doesn't make sense to unshare blocks anyway... but maybe I
> also don't want to dive into btrfs f-allocation behavior at this time. :)
> 
> Ok, so I'll rework the XFS funshare code into something that hangs off the
> regular fallocate call, and get rid of the explicit 'funshare' bits.

Makes sense given we have the FALLOC_FL_ZERO_RANGE operation which
returns a zero to and preallocates all the holes in the range. I
would expect this operation on shared blocks to unshare blocks,
too...

> > The question is if we
> > want a copy interface that gives you the same semantics as if you also
> > called an fallocate on the destination range.  For that case we'd
> > usually want to avoid doing the clone and instead do a in-kernel or
> > hardware assisted copy and then fill the holes with unwritten extents.

If hole filling was required, then I'd do the operation the other
way around - prealloc the entire range, then do hardware assisted
copy of each separate data range in the source file with unwritten
extent conversion on offload completion...

> Probably; I can easily imagine people wanting to fill the holes and also
> not wanting them filled.

*nod*.

Cheers,

Dave.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-10-15  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-30 17:26 [PATCH v5 0/9] VFS: In-kernel copy system call Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] vfs: add copy_file_range syscall and vfs helper Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] x86: add sys_copy_file_range to syscall tables Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] btrfs: add .copy_file_range file operation Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] vfs: Copy should check len after file open mode Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] vfs: Copy shouldn't forbid ranges inside the same file Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:37     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:37       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:27         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] vfs: Copy should use file_out rather than file_in Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:24   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] vfs: Remove copy_file_range mountpoint checks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:41     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:41       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:25         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-08  1:40   ` Neil Brown
2015-10-09 11:15     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-09 11:15       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-13 20:25       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 20:25         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14  7:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14  7:41           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13 19:45     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-13 19:45       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:17     ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:17       ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  3:36       ` Trond Myklebust
2015-10-13  7:19         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:19           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:30         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:30           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-10  6:24         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 17:59       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 17:59         ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:38             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:38               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:49               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:49                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:53                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 19:14                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:14                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:39                     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-14 19:39                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-15  5:56                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  5:56                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 19:08             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:08               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15  6:36               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15  6:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-15 12:24                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-15 12:24                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16  5:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16  5:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:46                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:02                       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:02                         ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-16 12:24                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:24                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:46                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:46                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:21                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:21                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:50                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 13:12                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 14:11                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 18:11         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:11           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:26           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-11 14:29     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 10:23     ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 10:23       ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 14:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-12 23:41         ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-12 23:41           ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13  7:29           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-13  7:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 18:46             ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:46               ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-15  6:00               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:49                 ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 11:49                   ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 12:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 13:19                     ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 13:19                       ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 21:44                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-17 13:44                         ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-17 13:44                           ` Chris Mason
2015-10-15  8:35               ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2015-10-15  8:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 10/9] copy_file_range.2: New page documenting copy_file_range() Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26   ` Anna Schumaker

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