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From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>,
	"vegard.nossum@gmail.com" <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>,
	"rafael.j.wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Armin Biere <biere@jku.at>,
	Roberto Di Cosmo <roberto@dicosmo.org>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@upsilon.cc>,
	Valentin Rothberg <valentinrothberg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Addressing complex dependencies and semantics (v2)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 02:00:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160729000055.GE3296@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3704346.bW37OlXF5c@avalon>

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 07:04:49PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> On Thursday 28 Jul 2016 09:25:58 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> > 
> > For the device-centric media devices, the pipelines should be created by
> > the Kernel, and not via userspace. On such cases, a SAT solver could help
> > to setup the hardware pipelines.
> 
> That's the part I don't get. How is SAT related to that ?

Provided you have figured out how to generalize how describe items and
dependencies, you should be able to use a SAT solver to find optimal dependency
maps.  For instance SAT solvers have been used in challenges to help address
Linux distribution package dependency issues, helping improve the not only if a
request is satisfiable but also help with the most optimal solution.

A SAT solver therefore in theory could be used to help optimal dependency maps
as well for other things, which are kernel-related. For instance we'll baby
step testing this with kconfig [0], if that proves useful we'll have to find
timing / limitations, but it should at least give us a lower order resolution
time, and depending on your requirements it may suffice for some needs.
Furthermore, say you were not time constrained (linker or compiler) and could
order things in code prior to execution, you could sort things out pre-runtime
for a few situations.

This naturally then varies depending on the problem at hand. I've jotted down a
few ideas on the wiki but its really all just scrapbook notes at this point [1]
with an eye towards the long term here, and projecting work on kconfig gets
done.

[0] https://kernelnewbies.org/KernelProjects/kconfig-sat
[1] https://kernelnewbies.org/KernelProjects/linux-sat

  Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-29  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-27 16:50 [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Addressing complex dependencies and semantics (v2) Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 17:26 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-27 17:58   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 18:03     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-27 19:20       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-28  0:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-28 10:41           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 10:54             ` Hans Verkuil
2016-07-28 11:03               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 11:46                 ` Jan Kara
2016-07-28 15:16                   ` Mark Brown
2016-07-28 16:00                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02  8:32                     ` Jan Kara
2016-08-03 14:17                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-07-30  1:59                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:12                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 20:12                 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-07-28 20:38                   ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 13:15                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 14:36               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-29  7:33             ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 13:03               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:17                 ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-04  8:22             ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-04  9:50               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04 10:20                 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 10:27                   ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-05  2:59                   ` Rob Herring
2016-08-05  9:01                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-05 10:54                       ` Greg KH
2016-08-05 11:31                         ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-05 11:58                           ` Mark Brown
2016-08-05 13:43                           ` Greg KH
2016-08-05 19:27                         ` Rob Herring
2016-08-09  8:08                 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-09  8:17                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-09 12:04                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-04 12:37       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 15:53         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-28 21:49     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-07-29  3:50       ` Greg KH
2016-07-29  7:45       ` Hans Verkuil
2016-07-29  7:55         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 13:06           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29 11:13         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 13:09           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:14             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 13:19               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:21             ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 13:26               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:35                 ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 13:38                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:51                     ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 17:15                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:33               ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 13:55                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-08-01 14:41                   ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 14:44                   ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 14:54                     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 15:20                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 15:34                       ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 15:43                         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 16:18                           ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 17:06                             ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 18:21                               ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-02 11:45                                 ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 18:33                               ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 18:48                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 19:42                                   ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 20:05                                     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-02  8:57                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-01 17:40                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02  7:38                     ` Greg KH
2016-08-01 19:03           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-02  0:01             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02  0:56               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-02  1:03                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-02  8:30                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-02  9:41                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-08-02  9:48                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-02 11:50                     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-09  9:57             ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-09 16:08               ` James Bottomley
2016-08-09 16:11                 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-09 16:51                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-09 17:05                     ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-09 17:12                     ` James Bottomley
2016-08-09 16:53                   ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-09 18:06               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-10 15:21                 ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-10 16:42                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-10 21:37                     ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-12  7:33               ` Linus Walleij
2016-07-27 18:50 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-28 10:43 ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-28 10:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 23:43   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 12:44     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 11:18 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-07-28 11:24   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 12:25     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-07-28 16:04       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29  0:00         ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2016-08-01 12:50           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 20:32             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-29 13:57 ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-09-07 16:40   ` Kevin Hilman
2016-08-01 14:03 ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-11-03 18:43   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-11-04  6:53     ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-09-08 21:03 ` Frank Rowand

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