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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Cc: "vegard.nossum@gmail.com" <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>,
	Valentin Rothberg <valentinrothberg@gmail.com>,
	"rafael.j.wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Addressing complex dependencies	and semantics (v2)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 11:22:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d1lpose8.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4826466.kMrAaT2rsn@avalon>

On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> Let's not demonize deferred probing, I think it's a good safety net to
> be used as a last resort when everything else failed. The problem is
> that we're using it as our primary mean to order initialization, and
> that leads to all sorts of inefficient behaviours at boot time.

One problem we have with deferred probing (and the reason we're not
using it to fix a bug we still have) is that it essentially requires you
to undo everything you've done before realizing you should return
-EPROBE_DEFER. In our case, we have maybe 90% of our initialization done
at that point, and this goes into the full module unload/reload
territory.

So I admit to being pretty clueless wrt the fine details of module
loading, but I'm wondering if there could be any way of the module being
loaded telling the kernel (via a call, not by returning from probe) to
hold its horses for a while, and keep loading other modules. Sort of
like deferred probe, but without the full cleanup-retry cycle. The call
would return to the module later (not unlike deferred probe retries the
probe), and you could try again whatever it was that made you realize
you need to defer.

BR,
Jani.

-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Technology Center

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-04  8:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-27 16:50 [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Addressing complex dependencies and semantics (v2) Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 17:26 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-27 17:58   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-27 18:03     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-27 19:20       ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-28  0:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-28 10:41           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 10:54             ` Hans Verkuil
2016-07-28 11:03               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 11:46                 ` Jan Kara
2016-07-28 15:16                   ` Mark Brown
2016-07-28 16:00                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02  8:32                     ` Jan Kara
2016-08-03 14:17                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-07-30  1:59                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:12                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 20:12                 ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-07-28 20:38                   ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 13:15                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 14:36               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-29  7:33             ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 13:03               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:17                 ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-04  8:22             ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2016-08-04  9:50               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04 10:20                 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 10:27                   ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-05  2:59                   ` Rob Herring
2016-08-05  9:01                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-05 10:54                       ` Greg KH
2016-08-05 11:31                         ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-05 11:58                           ` Mark Brown
2016-08-05 13:43                           ` Greg KH
2016-08-05 19:27                         ` Rob Herring
2016-08-09  8:08                 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-09  8:17                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-09 12:04                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-04 12:37       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 15:53         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-28 21:49     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-07-29  3:50       ` Greg KH
2016-07-29  7:45       ` Hans Verkuil
2016-07-29  7:55         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 13:06           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29 11:13         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 13:09           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:14             ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 13:19               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:21             ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 13:26               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:35                 ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 13:38                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:51                     ` Hans Verkuil
2016-08-01 17:15                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 13:33               ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 13:55                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-08-01 14:41                   ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 14:44                   ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 14:54                     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 15:20                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 15:34                       ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 15:43                         ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-01 16:18                           ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 17:06                             ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 18:21                               ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-02 11:45                                 ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 18:33                               ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 18:48                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-08-01 19:42                                   ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-08-01 20:05                                     ` Lars-Peter Clausen
2016-08-02  8:57                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-01 17:40                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02  7:38                     ` Greg KH
2016-08-01 19:03           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-02  0:01             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-02  0:56               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-02  1:03                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-02  8:30                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-02  9:41                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-08-02  9:48                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-02 11:50                     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-09  9:57             ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-09 16:08               ` James Bottomley
2016-08-09 16:11                 ` James Bottomley
2016-08-09 16:51                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-09 17:05                     ` David Woodhouse
2016-08-09 17:12                     ` James Bottomley
2016-08-09 16:53                   ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-09 18:06               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-10 15:21                 ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-10 16:42                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-10 21:37                     ` Jörg Rödel
2016-08-12  7:33               ` Linus Walleij
2016-07-27 18:50 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-28 10:43 ` Marc Zyngier
2016-07-28 10:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 23:43   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 12:44     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 11:18 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-07-28 11:24   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 12:25     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-07-28 16:04       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29  0:00         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 12:50           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 20:32             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-07-29 13:57 ` Andrzej Hajda
2016-09-07 16:40   ` Kevin Hilman
2016-08-01 14:03 ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-11-03 18:43   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-11-04  6:53     ` Marek Szyprowski
2016-09-08 21:03 ` Frank Rowand

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