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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: dinechin@redhat.com, virtio-fs@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mapping examples
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201021173919.GF3671@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201021134408.GA442437@redhat.com>

* Vivek Goyal (vgoyal@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 08:02:37PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> 
> [..]
> > > > > > +2) Prefix 'trusted.' attributes, allow others through
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +::
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +   "/prefix/all/trusted./user.virtiofs./
> > > > > > +    /bad/server//trusted./
> > > > > > +    /bad/client/user.virtiofs.//
> > > > > > +    /ok/all///"
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +Here there are four rules, using / as the field
> > > > > > +separator, and also demonstrating that new lines can
> > > > > > +be included between rules.
> > > > > > +The first rule is the prefixing of 'trusted.' and
> > > > > > +stripping of 'user.virtiofs.'.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So this is bidrectional rule, right. For setxattr(), "trusted."
> > > > > will be replaced with "user.virtiofs" and for listxattr(),
> > > > > server will replace user.virtiofs with trusted. ?
> > > > 
> > > > prefixed not replaced; so it'll turn "trusted." into
> > > > "user.virtiofs.trusted." and strip it back off for listxattr.
> > > 
> > > Ok. Got it. I am wondering how will I specify these rules so that
> > > they work in nested configuration. Say I have L0 host, L1 guest and
> > > L2 guest. Say virtiofsd0 is running on L0 and virtiofsd1 is running
> > > on L1. 
> > > 
> > > I am wondering how will I specify the rules on virtiofsd0 and virtiofsd1
> > > so that it works. Will it be same or rules are level dependent.
> > 
> > I'm hoping it'll be the same, see below.
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > +The second rule hides unprefixed 'trusted.' attributes
> > > > > > +on the host.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If host has "trusted.*", we are not hiding it and as per first
> > > > > rule we are converting it to "user.virtiofs.trusted.*", right?
> > > > > So why this second rule is needed.
> > > > 
> > > > No, the first rule will only prefix strings provided by the guest
> > > > and strip strings provided by the server. This rule hides
> > > > existing server 'trusted.' xattrs - so if the guest sets
> > > > trusted.foo it's not confused by also seeing a server trusted.foo
> > > > 
> > > > > > +The third rule stops a guest from explicitly setting
> > > > > > +the 'user.viritofs.' path directly.
> > > > > > +Finally, the fourth rule lets all remaining attributes
> > > > > > +through.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So If I don't specify third rule, and client does
> > > > > setxattr(user.virtiofs.*), it will simply be a passthrough?
> > > > 
> > > > Right; and that's dangerous, because a non-privileged guest
> > > > process can set a user. xattr; so a non-priv guest process could
> > > > set user.virtiofs.trusted.foo and then it would get read back
> > > > and be used as trusted.foo that has an impact on priviliged processes.
> > > 
> > > Right. We don't want unpriviliged process to be able to setup
> > > user.virtiofs.trusted.*. But that's what precisely happen in
> > > a nested configuration.
> > > 
> > > In above example, L2 will set trusted.foo, virtiofsd1 wil convert it
> > > to user.virtiofs.trusted.foo and virtiofsd0 will reject it, breaking
> > > the nested virtiofs.
> > 
> > So to allow nesting you need to nest the user.virtiofs. as well, not
> > just the trusted. So either you do an all, or if you want to be more
> > selective then I think the following would work:
> > 
> >  1  /prefix/client/trusted./user.virtiofs./
> >  2  /prefix/client/user.virtiofs./user.virtiofs./
> 
> Ok, so basically instead of blocking user.virtiofs.trusted. from client,
> prefix it with "user.virtiofs." one more time. IOW, allow client to
> set user.virtiofs.trusted. because it will get back user.virtiofs.trusted.
> and not "trusted." which is ok. Now client user space can't fool client
> kernel with setting arbitrary user.virtiofs.trusted xattrs.

Right.

> And if client kernel sends, trusted., it will get back trusted.

Right.

> Only thing which can happen is that client1 sets user.virtiofs.trusted.
> and nested client2 will get it as trusted. So client1 user space can
> fool nested client's kernel. But given client1 has launched nested
> client2, we should be able to trust some user on client1 and make
> sure other users can't see this shared dir and this probably is
> not an issue.

Yes, that does depend a bit on how you're intending to share your
filesystems etc

> >  3  /prefix/server//user.virtiofs./
> >  4  /bad/server//trusted./
> >  5  /ok/all///
> > 
> > 1 causes any getattr/setattr to convert 'trusted.'
> >                                    to   'user.virtiofs.trusted.'
> > 2 causes any getattr/setattr to convert 'user.virtiofs.'
> >                                    to   'user.virtiofs.user.virtiofs.'
> > 3 causes any listattr to lose a layer of user.virtiofs.
> > 4 blocks any trusted. from the layer beneath
> > 5 lets anything else through
> > 
> > (I'm trying to convince myself if we need a
> > /bad/server//user.virtiofs.trusted.  to stop the previous level being
> > visible).
> 
> user.virtiofs.trusted on server will be converted to trusted., right?
> Can't block it otherwise L1 client breaks, isn't it?

True.

Dave

> Vivek
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: dinechin@redhat.com, virtio-fs@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] [PATCH v3 4/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mapping examples
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:39:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201021173919.GF3671@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201021134408.GA442437@redhat.com>

* Vivek Goyal (vgoyal@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 08:02:37PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> 
> [..]
> > > > > > +2) Prefix 'trusted.' attributes, allow others through
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +::
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +   "/prefix/all/trusted./user.virtiofs./
> > > > > > +    /bad/server//trusted./
> > > > > > +    /bad/client/user.virtiofs.//
> > > > > > +    /ok/all///"
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +Here there are four rules, using / as the field
> > > > > > +separator, and also demonstrating that new lines can
> > > > > > +be included between rules.
> > > > > > +The first rule is the prefixing of 'trusted.' and
> > > > > > +stripping of 'user.virtiofs.'.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So this is bidrectional rule, right. For setxattr(), "trusted."
> > > > > will be replaced with "user.virtiofs" and for listxattr(),
> > > > > server will replace user.virtiofs with trusted. ?
> > > > 
> > > > prefixed not replaced; so it'll turn "trusted." into
> > > > "user.virtiofs.trusted." and strip it back off for listxattr.
> > > 
> > > Ok. Got it. I am wondering how will I specify these rules so that
> > > they work in nested configuration. Say I have L0 host, L1 guest and
> > > L2 guest. Say virtiofsd0 is running on L0 and virtiofsd1 is running
> > > on L1. 
> > > 
> > > I am wondering how will I specify the rules on virtiofsd0 and virtiofsd1
> > > so that it works. Will it be same or rules are level dependent.
> > 
> > I'm hoping it'll be the same, see below.
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > +The second rule hides unprefixed 'trusted.' attributes
> > > > > > +on the host.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If host has "trusted.*", we are not hiding it and as per first
> > > > > rule we are converting it to "user.virtiofs.trusted.*", right?
> > > > > So why this second rule is needed.
> > > > 
> > > > No, the first rule will only prefix strings provided by the guest
> > > > and strip strings provided by the server. This rule hides
> > > > existing server 'trusted.' xattrs - so if the guest sets
> > > > trusted.foo it's not confused by also seeing a server trusted.foo
> > > > 
> > > > > > +The third rule stops a guest from explicitly setting
> > > > > > +the 'user.viritofs.' path directly.
> > > > > > +Finally, the fourth rule lets all remaining attributes
> > > > > > +through.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So If I don't specify third rule, and client does
> > > > > setxattr(user.virtiofs.*), it will simply be a passthrough?
> > > > 
> > > > Right; and that's dangerous, because a non-privileged guest
> > > > process can set a user. xattr; so a non-priv guest process could
> > > > set user.virtiofs.trusted.foo and then it would get read back
> > > > and be used as trusted.foo that has an impact on priviliged processes.
> > > 
> > > Right. We don't want unpriviliged process to be able to setup
> > > user.virtiofs.trusted.*. But that's what precisely happen in
> > > a nested configuration.
> > > 
> > > In above example, L2 will set trusted.foo, virtiofsd1 wil convert it
> > > to user.virtiofs.trusted.foo and virtiofsd0 will reject it, breaking
> > > the nested virtiofs.
> > 
> > So to allow nesting you need to nest the user.virtiofs. as well, not
> > just the trusted. So either you do an all, or if you want to be more
> > selective then I think the following would work:
> > 
> >  1  /prefix/client/trusted./user.virtiofs./
> >  2  /prefix/client/user.virtiofs./user.virtiofs./
> 
> Ok, so basically instead of blocking user.virtiofs.trusted. from client,
> prefix it with "user.virtiofs." one more time. IOW, allow client to
> set user.virtiofs.trusted. because it will get back user.virtiofs.trusted.
> and not "trusted." which is ok. Now client user space can't fool client
> kernel with setting arbitrary user.virtiofs.trusted xattrs.

Right.

> And if client kernel sends, trusted., it will get back trusted.

Right.

> Only thing which can happen is that client1 sets user.virtiofs.trusted.
> and nested client2 will get it as trusted. So client1 user space can
> fool nested client's kernel. But given client1 has launched nested
> client2, we should be able to trust some user on client1 and make
> sure other users can't see this shared dir and this probably is
> not an issue.

Yes, that does depend a bit on how you're intending to share your
filesystems etc

> >  3  /prefix/server//user.virtiofs./
> >  4  /bad/server//trusted./
> >  5  /ok/all///
> > 
> > 1 causes any getattr/setattr to convert 'trusted.'
> >                                    to   'user.virtiofs.trusted.'
> > 2 causes any getattr/setattr to convert 'user.virtiofs.'
> >                                    to   'user.virtiofs.user.virtiofs.'
> > 3 causes any listattr to lose a layer of user.virtiofs.
> > 4 blocks any trusted. from the layer beneath
> > 5 lets anything else through
> > 
> > (I'm trying to convince myself if we need a
> > /bad/server//user.virtiofs.trusted.  to stop the previous level being
> > visible).
> 
> user.virtiofs.trusted on server will be converted to trusted., right?
> Can't block it otherwise L1 client breaks, isn't it?

True.

Dave

> Vivek
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK


  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-21 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-14 18:02 [PATCH v3 0/5] virtiofsd xattr name mappings Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02 ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mappings: Add option Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-20  9:07   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20  9:07     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-21 17:13     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-21 17:13       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-20 14:04   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-20 14:04     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-22 14:52   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-22 14:52     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-23 15:46     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-23 15:46       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-14 18:02 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mappings: Map client xattr names Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-20  9:16   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20  9:16     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-22 15:28   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-22 15:28     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-23 15:04     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-23 15:04       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-14 18:02 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mappings: Map server " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-15 23:57   ` [Virtio-fs] Puzzle about rootflags, restorecon "operation not supported" Harry G. Coin
2020-10-20  9:54     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20 12:57       ` Miklos Szeredi
2020-10-20 14:55         ` Harry G. Coin
2020-10-20  9:52   ` [PATCH v3 3/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mappings: Map server xattr names Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20  9:52     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-22 16:16   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-22 16:16     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-23 14:49     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-23 14:49       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-14 18:02 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mapping examples Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-20  9:56   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20  9:56     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20 14:40   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-20 14:40     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-20 15:34     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-20 15:34       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-20 17:56       ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-20 17:56         ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-20 19:02         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-20 19:02           ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-21 13:44           ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-21 13:44             ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-21 17:39             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2020-10-21 17:39               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-14 18:02 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] tools/virtiofsd: xattr name mappings: Simple 'map' Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-14 18:02   ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2020-10-20 10:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20 10:09     ` [Virtio-fs] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-20 11:35     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-20 11:35       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-22 13:42   ` Vivek Goyal
2020-10-22 13:42     ` [Virtio-fs] " Vivek Goyal
2020-10-23 13:05     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2020-10-23 13:05       ` [Virtio-fs] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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