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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/15] An alternative series for asymmetric AArch32 systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:50:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201215185012.GA15566@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201215173645.GJ3040@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,

Cheers for taking a look.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:36:45PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 01:28:20PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > The aim of this series is to allow 32-bit ARM applications to run on
> > arm64 SoCs where not all of the CPUs support the 32-bit instruction set.
> > Unfortunately, such SoCs are real and will continue to be productised
> > over the next few years at least. I can assure you that I'm not just
> > doing this for fun.
> > 
> > Changes in v5 include:
> > 
> >   * Teach cpuset_cpus_allowed() about task_cpu_possible_mask() so that
> >     we can avoid returning incompatible CPUs for a given task. This
> >     means that sched_setaffinity() can be used with larger masks (like
> >     the online mask) from userspace and also allows us to take into
> >     account the cpuset hierarchy when forcefully overriding the affinity
> >     for a task on execve().
> > 
> >   * Honour task_cpu_possible_mask() when attaching a task to a cpuset,
> >     so that the resulting affinity mask does not contain any incompatible
> >     CPUs (since it would be rejected by set_cpus_allowed_ptr() otherwise).
> > 
> >   * Moved overriding of the affinity mask into the scheduler core rather
> >     than munge affinity masks directly in the architecture backend.
> 
> Hurmph... so if I can still read, this thing will auto truncate the
> affinity mask to something that only contains compatible CPUs, right?
> 
> Assuming our system has 8 CPUs (0xFF), half of which are 32bit capable
> (0x0F), then, when our native task (with affinity 0x3c) does a
> fork()+execve() of a 32bit thingy the resulting task has 0x0c.
> 
> If that in turn does fork()+execve() of a native task, it will retain
> the trucated affinity mask (0x0c), instead of returning to the wider
> mask (0x3c).
> 
> IOW, any (accidental or otherwise) trip through a 32bit helper, will
> destroy user state (the affinity mask: 0x3c).

Yes, that's correct, and I agree that it's a rough edge. If you're happy
with the idea of adding an extra mask to make this work, then I can start
hacking that up (although I doubt I'll get something out before the new
year at this point).

> Should we perhaps split task_struct::cpus_mask, one to keep an original
> copy of the user state, and one to be an effective cpumask for the task?
> That way, the moment a task constricts or widens it's
> task_cpu_possible_mask() we can re-compute the effective mask without
> loss of information.

Hmm, we might already have most of the pieces in place for this (modulo
the extra field), since cpuset_cpus_allowed() provides the limiting mask
now so this might be relatively straightforward.

Famous last words...

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	kernel-team@android.com,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/15] An alternative series for asymmetric AArch32 systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:50:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201215185012.GA15566@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201215173645.GJ3040@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,

Cheers for taking a look.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:36:45PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 01:28:20PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > The aim of this series is to allow 32-bit ARM applications to run on
> > arm64 SoCs where not all of the CPUs support the 32-bit instruction set.
> > Unfortunately, such SoCs are real and will continue to be productised
> > over the next few years at least. I can assure you that I'm not just
> > doing this for fun.
> > 
> > Changes in v5 include:
> > 
> >   * Teach cpuset_cpus_allowed() about task_cpu_possible_mask() so that
> >     we can avoid returning incompatible CPUs for a given task. This
> >     means that sched_setaffinity() can be used with larger masks (like
> >     the online mask) from userspace and also allows us to take into
> >     account the cpuset hierarchy when forcefully overriding the affinity
> >     for a task on execve().
> > 
> >   * Honour task_cpu_possible_mask() when attaching a task to a cpuset,
> >     so that the resulting affinity mask does not contain any incompatible
> >     CPUs (since it would be rejected by set_cpus_allowed_ptr() otherwise).
> > 
> >   * Moved overriding of the affinity mask into the scheduler core rather
> >     than munge affinity masks directly in the architecture backend.
> 
> Hurmph... so if I can still read, this thing will auto truncate the
> affinity mask to something that only contains compatible CPUs, right?
> 
> Assuming our system has 8 CPUs (0xFF), half of which are 32bit capable
> (0x0F), then, when our native task (with affinity 0x3c) does a
> fork()+execve() of a 32bit thingy the resulting task has 0x0c.
> 
> If that in turn does fork()+execve() of a native task, it will retain
> the trucated affinity mask (0x0c), instead of returning to the wider
> mask (0x3c).
> 
> IOW, any (accidental or otherwise) trip through a 32bit helper, will
> destroy user state (the affinity mask: 0x3c).

Yes, that's correct, and I agree that it's a rough edge. If you're happy
with the idea of adding an extra mask to make this work, then I can start
hacking that up (although I doubt I'll get something out before the new
year at this point).

> Should we perhaps split task_struct::cpus_mask, one to keep an original
> copy of the user state, and one to be an effective cpumask for the task?
> That way, the moment a task constricts or widens it's
> task_cpu_possible_mask() we can re-compute the effective mask without
> loss of information.

Hmm, we might already have most of the pieces in place for this (modulo
the extra field), since cpuset_cpus_allowed() provides the limiting mask
now so this might be relatively straightforward.

Famous last words...

Will

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Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-08 13:28 [PATCH v5 00/15] An alternative series for asymmetric AArch32 systems Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 01/15] arm64: cpuinfo: Split AArch32 registers out into a separate struct Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 02/15] arm64: Allow mismatched 32-bit EL0 support Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 03/15] KVM: arm64: Kill 32-bit vCPUs on systems with mismatched " Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 04/15] arm64: Kill 32-bit applications scheduled on 64-bit-only CPUs Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 05/15] arm64: Advertise CPUs capable of running 32-bit applications in sysfs Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 06/15] sched: Introduce task_cpu_possible_mask() to limit fallback rq selection Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 07/15] cpuset: Don't use the cpu_possible_mask as a last resort for cgroup v1 Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-17 12:15   ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-17 12:15     ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-17 13:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-17 13:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-17 14:59       ` Will Deacon
2020-12-17 14:59         ` Will Deacon
2020-12-17 15:00       ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-17 15:00         ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 08/15] cpuset: Honour task_cpu_possible_mask() in guarantee_online_cpus() Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-28  3:54   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-12-28  3:54     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 09/15] sched: Reject CPU affinity changes based on task_cpu_possible_mask() Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 10/15] sched: Introduce force_compatible_cpus_allowed_ptr() to limit CPU affinity Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-28  4:29   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-12-28  4:29     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 11/15] arm64: Implement task_cpu_possible_mask() Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 12/15] arm64: exec: Adjust affinity for compat tasks with mismatched 32-bit EL0 Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 13/15] arm64: Prevent offlining first CPU with 32-bit EL0 on mismatched system Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 14/15] arm64: Hook up cmdline parameter to allow mismatched 32-bit EL0 Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28 ` [PATCH v5 15/15] arm64: Remove logic to kill 32-bit tasks on 64-bit-only cores Will Deacon
2020-12-08 13:28   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-15 17:36 ` [PATCH v5 00/15] An alternative series for asymmetric AArch32 systems Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-15 17:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-15 18:50   ` Will Deacon [this message]
2020-12-15 18:50     ` Will Deacon
2020-12-17 10:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-17 10:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-16 11:16 ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-16 11:16   ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-16 14:14   ` Will Deacon
2020-12-16 14:14     ` Will Deacon
2020-12-16 16:48     ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-16 16:48       ` Qais Yousef
2020-12-16 18:21       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2020-12-16 18:21         ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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