From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-audit@redhat.com, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:46:38 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20210602154638.GA3711857@madcap2.tricolour.ca> (raw) In-Reply-To: <94e50554-f71a-50ab-c468-418863d2b46f@gmail.com> On 2021-06-02 09:26, Pavel Begunkov wrote: > On 5/28/21 5:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:19 PM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote: > >> ... If we moved the _entry > >> and _exit calls into the individual operation case blocks (quick > >> openat example below) so that only certain operations were able to be > >> audited would that be acceptable assuming the high frequency ops were > >> untouched? My initial gut feeling was that this would involve >50% of > >> the ops, but Steve Grubb seems to think it would be less; it may be > >> time to look at that a bit more seriously, but if it gets a NACK > >> regardless it isn't worth the time - thoughts? > >> > >> case IORING_OP_OPENAT: > >> audit_uring_entry(req->opcode); > >> ret = io_openat(req, issue_flags); > >> audit_uring_exit(!ret, ret); > >> break; > > > > I wanted to pose this question again in case it was lost in the > > thread, I suspect this may be the last option before we have to "fix" > > things at the Kconfig level. I definitely don't want to have to go > > that route, and I suspect most everyone on this thread feels the same, > > so I'm hopeful we can find a solution that is begrudgingly acceptable > > to both groups. > > May work for me, but have to ask how many, and what is the > criteria? I'd think anything opening a file or manipulating fs: > > IORING_OP_ACCEPT, IORING_OP_CONNECT, IORING_OP_OPENAT[2], > IORING_OP_RENAMEAT, IORING_OP_UNLINKAT, IORING_OP_SHUTDOWN, > IORING_OP_FILES_UPDATE > + coming mkdirat and others. > > IORING_OP_CLOSE? IORING_OP_SEND IORING_OP_RECV? > > What about? > IORING_OP_FSYNC, IORING_OP_SYNC_FILE_RANGE, > IORING_OP_FALLOCATE, IORING_OP_STATX, > IORING_OP_FADVISE, IORING_OP_MADVISE, > IORING_OP_EPOLL_CTL > > > Another question, io_uring may exercise asynchronous paths, > i.e. io_issue_sqe() returns before requests completes. > Shouldn't be the case for open/etc at the moment, but was that > considered? This would be why audit needs to monitor a thread until it wraps up, to wait for the result code. My understanding is that both sync and async parts of an op would be monitored. > I don't see it happening, but would prefer to keep it open > async reimplementation in a distant future. Does audit sleep? Some parts do, some parts don't depending on what they are interacting with in the kernel. It can be made to not sleep if needed. > Pavel Begunkov - RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> Sr. S/W Engineer, Kernel Security, Base Operating Systems Remote, Ottawa, Red Hat Canada IRC: rgb, SunRaycer Voice: +1.647.777.2635, Internal: (81) 32635
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From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-audit@redhat.com, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:46:38 -0400 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20210602154638.GA3711857@madcap2.tricolour.ca> (raw) In-Reply-To: <94e50554-f71a-50ab-c468-418863d2b46f@gmail.com> On 2021-06-02 09:26, Pavel Begunkov wrote: > On 5/28/21 5:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote: > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:19 PM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote: > >> ... If we moved the _entry > >> and _exit calls into the individual operation case blocks (quick > >> openat example below) so that only certain operations were able to be > >> audited would that be acceptable assuming the high frequency ops were > >> untouched? My initial gut feeling was that this would involve >50% of > >> the ops, but Steve Grubb seems to think it would be less; it may be > >> time to look at that a bit more seriously, but if it gets a NACK > >> regardless it isn't worth the time - thoughts? > >> > >> case IORING_OP_OPENAT: > >> audit_uring_entry(req->opcode); > >> ret = io_openat(req, issue_flags); > >> audit_uring_exit(!ret, ret); > >> break; > > > > I wanted to pose this question again in case it was lost in the > > thread, I suspect this may be the last option before we have to "fix" > > things at the Kconfig level. I definitely don't want to have to go > > that route, and I suspect most everyone on this thread feels the same, > > so I'm hopeful we can find a solution that is begrudgingly acceptable > > to both groups. > > May work for me, but have to ask how many, and what is the > criteria? I'd think anything opening a file or manipulating fs: > > IORING_OP_ACCEPT, IORING_OP_CONNECT, IORING_OP_OPENAT[2], > IORING_OP_RENAMEAT, IORING_OP_UNLINKAT, IORING_OP_SHUTDOWN, > IORING_OP_FILES_UPDATE > + coming mkdirat and others. > > IORING_OP_CLOSE? IORING_OP_SEND IORING_OP_RECV? > > What about? > IORING_OP_FSYNC, IORING_OP_SYNC_FILE_RANGE, > IORING_OP_FALLOCATE, IORING_OP_STATX, > IORING_OP_FADVISE, IORING_OP_MADVISE, > IORING_OP_EPOLL_CTL > > > Another question, io_uring may exercise asynchronous paths, > i.e. io_issue_sqe() returns before requests completes. > Shouldn't be the case for open/etc at the moment, but was that > considered? This would be why audit needs to monitor a thread until it wraps up, to wait for the result code. My understanding is that both sync and async parts of an op would be monitored. > I don't see it happening, but would prefer to keep it open > async reimplementation in a distant future. Does audit sleep? Some parts do, some parts don't depending on what they are interacting with in the kernel. It can be made to not sleep if needed. > Pavel Begunkov - RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> Sr. S/W Engineer, Kernel Security, Base Operating Systems Remote, Ottawa, Red Hat Canada IRC: rgb, SunRaycer Voice: +1.647.777.2635, Internal: (81) 32635 -- Linux-audit mailing list Linux-audit@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-audit
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-06-02 15:46 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2021-05-21 21:49 [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] audit: prepare audit_context for use in calling contexts beyond syscalls Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Paul Moore 2021-05-22 0:22 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: " Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-22 0:22 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-22 2:36 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-22 2:36 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-23 20:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-23 20:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-24 19:59 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-24 19:59 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-25 8:27 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-25 8:27 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-25 14:53 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-25 14:53 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 1:11 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 1:11 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 2:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 2:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 10:19 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 10:19 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 14:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 14:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 15:11 ` Steve Grubb 2021-05-26 15:11 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Steve Grubb 2021-05-26 15:17 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: " Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 15:17 ` Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-26 17:22 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:22 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-27 17:27 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-27 17:27 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Victor Stewart 2021-05-26 15:49 ` Victor Stewart 2021-05-26 16:38 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-05-26 16:38 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-05-26 17:15 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:15 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:31 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:31 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 17:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 18:01 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 18:01 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 18:44 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:44 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:57 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 18:57 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:44 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 19:44 ` Jens Axboe 2021-05-26 20:19 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 20:19 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-28 16:02 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-28 16:02 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 8:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-02 8:26 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-02 15:46 ` Richard Guy Briggs [this message] 2021-06-02 15:46 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-03 10:39 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-03 10:39 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-02 19:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 19:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-03 10:51 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-03 10:51 ` Pavel Begunkov 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Casey Schaufler 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-06-03 15:54 ` Jens Axboe 2021-06-04 5:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-04 5:04 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:38 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 17:29 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 17:29 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 20:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 20:46 ` Paul Moore 2021-08-25 1:21 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-08-25 1:21 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-08-25 19:41 ` Paul Moore 2021-08-25 19:41 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] audit: dev/test patch to force io_uring auditing Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] audit: add filtering for io_uring records Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-28 22:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-28 22:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-30 15:26 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-30 15:26 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 1:40 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 1:40 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 15:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 15:37 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-02 17:20 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-02 17:20 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-31 13:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] audit: add filtering for io_uring records, addendum Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 16:08 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 16:08 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 16:08 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 17:38 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 17:38 ` kernel test robot 2021-05-31 17:38 ` kernel test robot 2021-06-07 23:15 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-07 23:15 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-08 12:55 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-08 12:55 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-06-09 2:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-06-09 2:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-31 13:44 ` [PATCH 2/2] audit: block PERM fields being used with io_uring filtering Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-31 13:44 ` Richard Guy Briggs 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] fs: add anon_inode_getfile_secure() similar to anon_inode_getfd_secure() Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] io_uring: convert io_uring to the secure anon inode interface Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] lsm,io_uring: add LSM hooks to io_uring Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 14:48 ` Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 14:48 ` Stefan Metzmacher 2021-05-26 20:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 20:45 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] selinux: add support for the io_uring access controls Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] Smack: Brutalist io_uring support with debug Paul Moore 2021-05-21 21:50 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-22 0:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Tetsuo Handa 2021-05-22 0:53 ` Tetsuo Handa 2021-05-22 2:06 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-22 2:06 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 18:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 18:49 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:07 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 19:07 ` Jeff Moyer 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore 2021-05-26 19:10 ` Paul Moore
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