From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> Cc: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, "iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>, "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Alex Williamson (alex.williamson@redhat.com)" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>, Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>, "Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>, "Wu, Hao" <hao.wu@intel.com>, "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@intel.com>, Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>, Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com> Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:07:08 -0300 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20210602160708.GW1002214@nvidia.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <1a3b4cf2-f511-640b-6c8c-a85f94a9536d@redhat.com> On Wed, Jun 02, 2021 at 04:52:02PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > > 在 2021/6/2 上午4:28, Jason Gunthorpe 写道: > > > I summarized five opens here, about: > > > > > > 1) Finalizing the name to replace /dev/ioasid; > > > 2) Whether one device is allowed to bind to multiple IOASID fd's; > > > 3) Carry device information in invalidation/fault reporting uAPI; > > > 4) What should/could be specified when allocating an IOASID; > > > 5) The protocol between vfio group and kvm; > > > > > > For 1), two alternative names are mentioned: /dev/iommu and > > > /dev/ioas. I don't have a strong preference and would like to hear > > > votes from all stakeholders. /dev/iommu is slightly better imho for > > > two reasons. First, per AMD's presentation in last KVM forum they > > > implement vIOMMU in hardware thus need to support user-managed > > > domains. An iommu uAPI notation might make more sense moving > > > forward. Second, it makes later uAPI naming easier as 'IOASID' can > > > be always put as an object, e.g. IOMMU_ALLOC_IOASID instead of > > > IOASID_ALLOC_IOASID.:) > > I think two years ago I suggested /dev/iommu and it didn't go very far > > at the time. > > > It looks to me using "/dev/iommu" excludes the possibility of implementing > IOASID in a device specific way (e.g through the co-operation with device > MMU + platform IOMMU)? This is intended to be the 'drivers/iommu' subsystem though. I don't want to see pluggabilit here beyoned what drivers/iommu is providing. If someone wants to do a something complicated through this interface then they need to make a drivers/iommu implementation. Or they need to use the mdev-esque "SW TABLE" mode when their driver attaches to the interface. If this is good enough or not for a specific device is an entirely other question though > What's more, ATS spec doesn't forbid the device #PF to be reported via a > device specific way. And if this is done then a kernel function indicating page fault should be triggered on the ioasid handle that the device has. It is still drivers/iommu functionality Jason
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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> Cc: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>, "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, "Alex Williamson \(alex.williamson@redhat.com\)" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>, "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>, "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>, "iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@intel.com>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:07:08 -0300 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20210602160708.GW1002214@nvidia.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <1a3b4cf2-f511-640b-6c8c-a85f94a9536d@redhat.com> On Wed, Jun 02, 2021 at 04:52:02PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote: > > 在 2021/6/2 上午4:28, Jason Gunthorpe 写道: > > > I summarized five opens here, about: > > > > > > 1) Finalizing the name to replace /dev/ioasid; > > > 2) Whether one device is allowed to bind to multiple IOASID fd's; > > > 3) Carry device information in invalidation/fault reporting uAPI; > > > 4) What should/could be specified when allocating an IOASID; > > > 5) The protocol between vfio group and kvm; > > > > > > For 1), two alternative names are mentioned: /dev/iommu and > > > /dev/ioas. I don't have a strong preference and would like to hear > > > votes from all stakeholders. /dev/iommu is slightly better imho for > > > two reasons. First, per AMD's presentation in last KVM forum they > > > implement vIOMMU in hardware thus need to support user-managed > > > domains. An iommu uAPI notation might make more sense moving > > > forward. Second, it makes later uAPI naming easier as 'IOASID' can > > > be always put as an object, e.g. IOMMU_ALLOC_IOASID instead of > > > IOASID_ALLOC_IOASID.:) > > I think two years ago I suggested /dev/iommu and it didn't go very far > > at the time. > > > It looks to me using "/dev/iommu" excludes the possibility of implementing > IOASID in a device specific way (e.g through the co-operation with device > MMU + platform IOMMU)? This is intended to be the 'drivers/iommu' subsystem though. I don't want to see pluggabilit here beyoned what drivers/iommu is providing. If someone wants to do a something complicated through this interface then they need to make a drivers/iommu implementation. Or they need to use the mdev-esque "SW TABLE" mode when their driver attaches to the interface. If this is good enough or not for a specific device is an entirely other question though > What's more, ATS spec doesn't forbid the device #PF to be reported via a > device specific way. And if this is done then a kernel function indicating page fault should be triggered on the ioasid handle that the device has. It is still drivers/iommu functionality Jason _______________________________________________ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
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