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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil-cisco@xs4all.nl>,
	Ricardo Ribalda <ribalda@chromium.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 8/8] videobuf2: handle non-contiguous DMA allocations
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:33:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210622073308.GA32231@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5Bt9TJ87Yk5ZpqTqrX9rmP0Uq8VNwx_rwFHakWP850Axw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 01:44:08PM +0900, Tomasz Figa wrote:
> > Well, dma_alloc_coherent users want a non-cached mapping.  And while
> > some architectures provide that using a vmap with "uncached" bits in the
> > PTE to provide that, this:
> >
> >  a) is not possibly everywhere
> >  b) even where possible is not always the best idea as it creates mappings
> >     with differnet cachability bets
> 
> I think this could be addressed by having a dma_vmap() helper that
> does the right thing, whether it's vmap() or dma_common_pages_remap()
> as appropriate. Or would be this still insufficient for some
> architectures?

It can't always do the right thing.  E.g. for the case where uncached
memory needs to be allocated from a special boot time fixed pool.

> > And even without that dma_alloc_noncoherent causes less overhead than
> > dma_alloc_noncontigious if you only need a single contiguous range.
> >
> 
> Given that behind the scenes dma_alloc_noncontiguous() would also just
> call __dma_alloc_pages() for devices that need contiguous pages, would
> the overhead be basically the creation of a single-entry sgtable?

In the best case: yes.

> > So while I'm happy we have something useful for more complex drivers like
> > v4l I think the simple dma_alloc_coherent API, including some of the less
> > crazy flags for dma_alloc_attrs is the right thing to use for more than
> > 90% of the use cases.
> 
> One thing to take into account here is that many drivers use the
> existing "simple" way, just because there wasn't a viable alternative
> to do something better. Agreed, though, that we shouldn't optimize for
> the rare cases.

While that might be true for a few drivers, it is absolutely not true
for the wide majority.  I think you media people are a little special,
with only the GPU folks contending for "specialness" :)  (although
media handles it way better, gpu folks just create local hacks that
can't work portably).

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-22  7:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-27 13:13 [PATCHv2 0/8] videobuf2: support new noncontiguous DMA API Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 1/8] videobuf2: rework vb2_mem_ops API Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 2/8] videobuf2: inverse buffer cache_hints flags Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 3/8] videobuf2: split buffer cache_hints initialisation Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 4/8] videobuf2: move cache_hints handling to allocators Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 5/8] videobuf2: add V4L2_MEMORY_FLAG_NON_COHERENT flag Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 6/8] videobuf2: add queue memory coherency parameter Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 7/8] videobuf2: handle V4L2_MEMORY_FLAG_NON_COHERENT flag Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-05-01  3:48   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-06-03 11:32   ` Hans Verkuil
2021-06-17  1:46     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-27 13:13 ` [PATCHv2 8/8] videobuf2: handle non-contiguous DMA allocations Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-04-28  6:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-03 11:59   ` Hans Verkuil
2021-06-17  7:56     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-06-17  8:01       ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-17  8:30         ` Tomasz Figa
2021-06-17  8:52           ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-17  9:40             ` Tomasz Figa
2021-06-17 10:06               ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-18  3:21                 ` Tomasz Figa
2021-06-18  4:25                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-06-18  4:44                     ` Tomasz Figa
2021-06-22  7:33                       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2021-07-07 12:42                         ` Tomasz Figa
2021-06-25  3:10       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-07-07 12:48         ` Tomasz Figa
2021-07-07 13:29           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-07-07 14:10             ` Tomasz Figa
2021-07-09  7:20               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2021-06-17  7:56     ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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