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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] arch: __get_wchan || STACKTRACE_SUPPORT
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 13:40:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211008124052.GA976@C02TD0UTHF1T.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211008111626.392918519@infradead.org>

[Adding Josh, since there might be a concern here from a livepatch pov]

On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 01:15:33PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> It's trivial to implement __get_wchan() with CONFIG_STACKTRACE

Possibly, but I don't think this is quite right -- semantic issue below.
 
> Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>
> ---

> --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/processor.h
> +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/processor.h
> @@ -257,8 +257,6 @@ struct task_struct;
>  /* Free all resources held by a thread. */
>  extern void release_thread(struct task_struct *);
>  
> -unsigned long __get_wchan(struct task_struct *p);
> -
>  void update_sctlr_el1(u64 sctlr);
>  
>  /* Thread switching */
> --- a/arch/arm64/kernel/process.c
> +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/process.c
> @@ -528,32 +528,6 @@ __notrace_funcgraph struct task_struct *
>  	return last;
>  }
>  
> -unsigned long __get_wchan(struct task_struct *p)
> -{
> -	struct stackframe frame;
> -	unsigned long stack_page, ret = 0;
> -	int count = 0;
> -
> -	stack_page = (unsigned long)try_get_task_stack(p);
> -	if (!stack_page)
> -		return 0;
> -
> -	start_backtrace(&frame, thread_saved_fp(p), thread_saved_pc(p));
> -
> -	do {
> -		if (unwind_frame(p, &frame))
> -			goto out;
> -		if (!in_sched_functions(frame.pc)) {
> -			ret = frame.pc;
> -			goto out;
> -		}
> -	} while (count++ < 16);
> -
> -out:
> -	put_task_stack(p);
> -	return ret;
> -}
> -

> --- a/kernel/sched/core.c
> +++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
> @@ -1966,6 +1966,21 @@ bool sched_task_on_rq(struct task_struct
>  	return task_on_rq_queued(p);
>  }
>  
> +#ifdef CONFIG_STACKTRACE
> +static unsigned long __get_wchan(struct task_struct *p)
> +{
> +	unsigned long entry = 0;
> +
> +	stack_trace_save_tsk(p, &entry, 1, 0);

This assumes stack_trace_save_tsk() will skip sched functions, but I
don't think that's ever been a requirement? It's certinaly not
documented anywhere that I could find, and arm64 doesn't do so today,
and this patch causes wchan to just log `__switch_to` for everything.

I realise you "fix" that for some arches in the next patch, but it's not
clear to me that's the right thing to do -- I would expect that
stack_trace_save_tsk() *shouldn't* skip anything unless we've explicitly
told it to via skipnr, because I'd expect that
stack_trace_save_tsk_reliable() mustn't, in case we ever need to patch
anything in the scheduler (or arch ctxsw code) with a livepatch, or if
you ever *want* to have the sched functions in a trace.

So I have two big questions:

1) Where precisely should stack_trace_save_tsk() and
   stack_trace_save_tsk_reliable() start from?

1) What should you do when you *do* want sched functions in a trace?

We could side-step the issue here by using arch_stack_walk(), which'd
make it easy to skip sched functions in the core code.

Thanks,
Mark.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-08 12:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-08 11:15 [PATCH 0/7] wchan: Fix wchan support Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 1/7] Revert "proc/wchan: use printk format instead of lookup_symbol_name()" Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 2/7] leaking_addresses: Always print a trailing newline Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 3/7] proc: Use task_is_running() for wchan in /proc/$pid/stat Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86: Fix get_wchan() to support the ORC unwinder Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Qi Zheng
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched: Add wrapper for get_wchan() to keep task blocked Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 11:26   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-10-08 12:45   ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-14 10:46   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 6/7] arch: __get_wchan || STACKTRACE_SUPPORT Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 12:40   ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2021-10-08 13:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 16:17       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 18:07         ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-14 18:41           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 18:03       ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-14 18:48         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 11:07   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 7/7] arch: Fix STACKTRACE_SUPPORT Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 12:52   ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-09  9:36   ` Guo Ren
2021-10-14 12:02 ` [PATCH 0/7] wchan: Fix wchan support Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-14 13:38   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-14 19:51     ` Josh Poimboeuf

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