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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] arch: __get_wchan || STACKTRACE_SUPPORT
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:45:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YWBLl0mMTGPE/7hM@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211008124052.GA976@C02TD0UTHF1T.local>

On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 01:40:52PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> [Adding Josh, since there might be a concern here from a livepatch pov]
> 

> > +static unsigned long __get_wchan(struct task_struct *p)
> > +{
> > +	unsigned long entry = 0;
> > +
> > +	stack_trace_save_tsk(p, &entry, 1, 0);
> 
> This assumes stack_trace_save_tsk() will skip sched functions, but I
> don't think that's ever been a requirement? It's certinaly not
> documented anywhere that I could find, and arm64 doesn't do so today,
> and this patch causes wchan to just log `__switch_to` for everything.

Confused, arm64 has arch_stack_walk() and should thus use
kernel/stacktrace.c's stack_trace_consume_entry_nosched.

> I realise you "fix" that for some arches in the next patch, but it's not
> clear to me that's the right thing to do -- I would expect that

I only actually change the behaviour on csky, both mips and nds32 have
this 'savesched = (task == current)' logic which ends up being a very
confusing way to write things, but for wchan we never call on current,
and hence don't save the __sched functions.

> stack_trace_save_tsk() *shouldn't* skip anything unless we've explicitly
> told it to via skipnr, because I'd expect that

It's what most archs happen to do today and is what
stack_trace_save_tsk() as implemented using arch_stack_walk() does.
Which is I think the closest to canonical we have.

> stack_trace_save_tsk_reliable() mustn't, in case we ever need to patch
> anything in the scheduler (or arch ctxsw code) with a livepatch, or if
> you ever *want* to have the sched functions in a trace.
> 
> So I have two big questions:
> 
> 1) Where precisely should stack_trace_save_tsk() and
>    stack_trace_save_tsk_reliable() start from?
> 
> 1) What should you do when you *do* want sched functions in a trace?
> 
> We could side-step the issue here by using arch_stack_walk(), which'd
> make it easy to skip sched functions in the core code.

arch_stack_walk() is the modern API and should be used going forward,
and I've gone with the stack_trace_save*() implementation as per that.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-08 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-08 11:15 [PATCH 0/7] wchan: Fix wchan support Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 1/7] Revert "proc/wchan: use printk format instead of lookup_symbol_name()" Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 2/7] leaking_addresses: Always print a trailing newline Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 3/7] proc: Use task_is_running() for wchan in /proc/$pid/stat Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86: Fix get_wchan() to support the ORC unwinder Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Qi Zheng
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched: Add wrapper for get_wchan() to keep task blocked Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 11:26   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-10-08 12:45   ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-14 10:46   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-15  9:45   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Kees Cook
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 6/7] arch: __get_wchan || STACKTRACE_SUPPORT Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 12:40   ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-08 13:45     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2021-10-08 16:17       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 18:07         ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-14 18:41           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 18:03       ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-14 18:48         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-10-14 11:07   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-08 11:15 ` [PATCH 7/7] arch: Fix STACKTRACE_SUPPORT Peter Zijlstra
2021-10-08 12:52   ` Mark Rutland
2021-10-09  9:36   ` Guo Ren
2021-10-14 12:02 ` [PATCH 0/7] wchan: Fix wchan support Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-14 13:38   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-10-14 19:51     ` Josh Poimboeuf

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