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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Felix Kuehling" <felix.kuehling@amd.com>,
	"Deucher, Alexander" <Alexander.Deucher@amd.com>,
	"Hegde, Vasant" <Vasant.Hegde@amd.com>,
	"Matt Fagnani" <matt.fagnani@bell.net>,
	"Thorsten Leemhuis" <regressions@leemhuis.info>,
	"Joerg Roedel" <jroedel@suse.de>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Linux PCI" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Pan, Xinhui" <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [regression, bisected, pci/iommu] Bug 216865 - Black screen when amdgpu started during 6.2-rc1 boot with AMD IOMMU enabled
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:39:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230215153913.GA3189407@bhelgaas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7bbc0f65-e1c6-f388-29a8-390b8c9c92c8@linux.intel.com>

[+cc Christian, Xinhui, amd-gfx]

On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 01:48:11PM +0800, Baolu Lu wrote:
> On 1/5/23 11:27 PM, Felix Kuehling wrote:
> > Am 2023-01-05 um 09:46 schrieb Deucher, Alexander:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hegde, Vasant <Vasant.Hegde@amd.com>
> > > > On 1/5/2023 4:07 PM, Baolu Lu wrote:
> > > > > On 2023/1/5 18:27, Vasant Hegde wrote:
> > > > > > On 1/5/2023 6:39 AM, Matt Fagnani wrote:
> > > > > > > I built 6.2-rc2 with the patch applied. The same black
> > > > > > > screen problem happened with 6.2-rc2 with the patch. I
> > > > > > > tried to use early kdump with 6.2-rc2 with the patch
> > > > > > > twice by panicking the kernel with sysrq+alt+c after the
> > > > > > > black screen happened. The system rebooted after about
> > > > > > > 10-20 seconds both times, but no kdump and dmesg files
> > > > > > > were saved in /var/crash. I'm attaching the lspci -vvv
> > > > > > > output as requested. ...

> > > > > > Looking into lspci output, it doesn't list ACS feature
> > > > > > for Graphics card. So with your fix it didn't enable PASID
> > > > > > and hence it failed to boot. ...

> > > > > So do you mind telling why does the PASID need to be enabled
> > > > > for the graphic device? Or in another word, what does the
> > > > > graphic driver use the PASID for? ...

> > > The GPU driver uses the pasid for shared virtual memory between
> > > the CPU and GPU.  I.e., so that the user apps can use the same
> > > virtual address space on the GPU and the CPU.  It also uses
> > > pasid to take advantage of recoverable device page faults using
> > > PRS. ...

> > Agreed. This applies to GPU computing on some older AMD APUs that
> > take advantage of memory coherence and IOMMUv2 address translation
> > to create a shared virtual address space between the CPU and GPU.
> > In this case it seems to be a Carrizo APU. It is also true for
> > Raven APUs. ...

> Thanks for the explanation.
> 
> This is actually the problem that commit 201007ef707a was trying to
> fix.  The PCIe fabric routes Memory Requests based on the TLP
> address, ignoring any PASID (PCIe r6.0, sec 2.2.10.4), so a TLP with
> PASID that should go upstream to the IOMMU may instead be routed as
> a P2P Request if its address falls in a bridge window.
> 
> In SVA case, the IOMMU shares the address space of a user
> application.  The user application side has no knowledge about the
> PCI bridge window.  It is entirely possible that the device is
> programed with a P2P address and results in a disaster.

Is this stalled?  We explored the idea of changing the PCI core so
that for devices that use ATS/PRI, we could enable PASID without
checking for ACS [1], but IIUC we ultimately concluded that it was
based on a misunderstanding of how ATS Translation Requests are routed
and that an AMD driver change would be required [2].

So it seems like we still have this regression, and we're running out
of time before v6.2.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230114073420.759989-1-baolu.lu@linux.intel.com/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y91X9MeCOsa67CC6@nvidia.com/

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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: "Joerg Roedel" <jroedel@suse.de>,
	"regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Thorsten Leemhuis" <regressions@leemhuis.info>,
	"Linux PCI" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Felix Kuehling" <felix.kuehling@amd.com>,
	"Pan, Xinhui" <Xinhui.Pan@amd.com>,
	"Hegde, Vasant" <Vasant.Hegde@amd.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Matt Fagnani" <matt.fagnani@bell.net>,
	"Jason Gunthorpe" <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	"Deucher, Alexander" <Alexander.Deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [regression, bisected, pci/iommu] Bug 216865 - Black screen when amdgpu started during 6.2-rc1 boot with AMD IOMMU enabled
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:39:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230215153913.GA3189407@bhelgaas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7bbc0f65-e1c6-f388-29a8-390b8c9c92c8@linux.intel.com>

[+cc Christian, Xinhui, amd-gfx]

On Fri, Jan 06, 2023 at 01:48:11PM +0800, Baolu Lu wrote:
> On 1/5/23 11:27 PM, Felix Kuehling wrote:
> > Am 2023-01-05 um 09:46 schrieb Deucher, Alexander:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hegde, Vasant <Vasant.Hegde@amd.com>
> > > > On 1/5/2023 4:07 PM, Baolu Lu wrote:
> > > > > On 2023/1/5 18:27, Vasant Hegde wrote:
> > > > > > On 1/5/2023 6:39 AM, Matt Fagnani wrote:
> > > > > > > I built 6.2-rc2 with the patch applied. The same black
> > > > > > > screen problem happened with 6.2-rc2 with the patch. I
> > > > > > > tried to use early kdump with 6.2-rc2 with the patch
> > > > > > > twice by panicking the kernel with sysrq+alt+c after the
> > > > > > > black screen happened. The system rebooted after about
> > > > > > > 10-20 seconds both times, but no kdump and dmesg files
> > > > > > > were saved in /var/crash. I'm attaching the lspci -vvv
> > > > > > > output as requested. ...

> > > > > > Looking into lspci output, it doesn't list ACS feature
> > > > > > for Graphics card. So with your fix it didn't enable PASID
> > > > > > and hence it failed to boot. ...

> > > > > So do you mind telling why does the PASID need to be enabled
> > > > > for the graphic device? Or in another word, what does the
> > > > > graphic driver use the PASID for? ...

> > > The GPU driver uses the pasid for shared virtual memory between
> > > the CPU and GPU.  I.e., so that the user apps can use the same
> > > virtual address space on the GPU and the CPU.  It also uses
> > > pasid to take advantage of recoverable device page faults using
> > > PRS. ...

> > Agreed. This applies to GPU computing on some older AMD APUs that
> > take advantage of memory coherence and IOMMUv2 address translation
> > to create a shared virtual address space between the CPU and GPU.
> > In this case it seems to be a Carrizo APU. It is also true for
> > Raven APUs. ...

> Thanks for the explanation.
> 
> This is actually the problem that commit 201007ef707a was trying to
> fix.  The PCIe fabric routes Memory Requests based on the TLP
> address, ignoring any PASID (PCIe r6.0, sec 2.2.10.4), so a TLP with
> PASID that should go upstream to the IOMMU may instead be routed as
> a P2P Request if its address falls in a bridge window.
> 
> In SVA case, the IOMMU shares the address space of a user
> application.  The user application side has no knowledge about the
> PCI bridge window.  It is entirely possible that the device is
> programed with a P2P address and results in a disaster.

Is this stalled?  We explored the idea of changing the PCI core so
that for devices that use ATS/PRI, we could enable PASID without
checking for ACS [1], but IIUC we ultimately concluded that it was
based on a misunderstanding of how ATS Translation Requests are routed
and that an AMD driver change would be required [2].

So it seems like we still have this regression, and we're running out
of time before v6.2.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230114073420.759989-1-baolu.lu@linux.intel.com/
[2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y91X9MeCOsa67CC6@nvidia.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-15 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-30  8:18 [regression, bisected, pci/iommu] Bug 216865 - Black screen when amdgpu started during 6.2-rc1 boot with AMD IOMMU enabled Thorsten Leemhuis
2023-01-03 10:30 ` Joerg Roedel
2023-01-03 19:06 ` Matt Fagnani
     [not found] ` <5aa0e698-f715-0481-36e5-46505024ebc1@bell.net>
2023-01-04  6:54   ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-04 15:50     ` Vasant Hegde
2023-01-05  1:09       ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-05 10:27         ` Vasant Hegde
2023-01-05 10:37           ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-05 10:46             ` Vasant Hegde
2023-01-05 14:46               ` Deucher, Alexander
2023-01-05 15:27                 ` Felix Kuehling
2023-01-06  5:48                   ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-15 15:39                     ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2023-02-15 15:39                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-02-16  0:35                       ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16  0:35                         ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16  0:44                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-16  0:44                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-16  5:37                           ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-16  5:37                             ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-16 14:55                             ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16 14:55                               ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16 14:53                           ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16 14:53                             ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16  5:25                         ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-16  5:25                           ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-16 18:59                           ` Matt Fagnani
2023-02-16 18:59                             ` Matt Fagnani
2023-02-16 19:59                             ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-16 19:59                               ` Felix Kuehling
2023-02-17  5:36                               ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-17  5:36                                 ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-17  5:23                             ` Vasant Hegde
2023-02-17  5:23                               ` Vasant Hegde
2023-01-05 19:51           ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-06  7:28           ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-10 16:08             ` Vasant Hegde
2023-01-10 16:12               ` Vasant Hegde
2023-01-06 14:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-07  2:44             ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-09 13:43               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10  5:28                 ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-10  5:48             ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-10  8:06               ` Matt Fagnani
     [not found]                 ` <bb3d5d1a-c222-9270-60fa-7d0b74bebd1a@linux.intel.com>
2023-01-10 22:12                   ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-10 22:12                     ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-10 13:25               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10 13:25                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10 13:45                 ` Christian König
2023-01-10 13:45                   ` Christian König
2023-01-10 13:51                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10 13:51                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10 13:56                     ` Christian König
2023-01-10 13:56                       ` Christian König
2023-01-10 20:51                       ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-10 20:51                         ` Matt Fagnani
2023-01-11  8:35                         ` Christian König
2023-01-11  8:35                           ` Christian König
2023-01-10 15:05                   ` Felix Kuehling
2023-01-10 15:05                     ` Felix Kuehling
2023-01-10 15:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10 15:19                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-10 15:21                       ` Felix Kuehling
2023-01-10 15:21                         ` Felix Kuehling
2023-01-11  3:16                 ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-11  3:16                   ` Baolu Lu
2023-01-11 13:08                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-01-11 13:08                     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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