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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
To: Archit Taneja <archit@ti.com>
Cc: linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, rob@ti.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/12] OMAPDSS: DSI: skip odd dividers when pck >= 100MHz
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:26:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5090D29A.3050605@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5090C8F9.4060103@ti.com>

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On 2012-10-31 08:45, Archit Taneja wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:40 PM, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
>> The DSI PLL and HSDivider can be used to generate the pixel clock for
>> LCD overlay manager, which then goes to DPI output. On the DPI output
>> pin the voltage of the signal is shifted from the OMAP's internal
>> minimal voltage to 1.8V range. The shifting is not instant, and the
>> higher the clock frequency, the less time there is to shift the signal
>> to nominal voltage.
>>
>> If the HSDivider's divider is greater than one and odd, the resulting
>> pixel clock does not have 50% duty cycle. For example, with a divider of
>> 3, the duty cycle is 33%.
>>
>> When combining high frequency (in the area of 140MHz+) and non-50% duty
>> cycle, it has been observed the the shifter does not have enough time to
>> shift the voltage enough, and this leads to bad signal which is rejected
>> by monitors.
> 
> Is this something seen on OMAP3 also? I guess it must be since it's the
> same DSI IP.

I have not seen this on OMAP3, but I'm 99% sure the same problem happens
there. But I guess there are many small things affecting the signal
quality, it could be that on omap3 beagleboard the resulting signal
voltage is still inside the standard range, even if odd dividers weaken it.

And I also think that we have the same problem with logic and pixel
clock dividers. My understanding is that all these simple dividers (i.e.
not a PLL or such) are made the same way, and, for example, divider of 3
is produced by keeping the output clock low for 2 cycles of the original
clock, and high for 1 cycle. Which leads to 33% duty cycle.

However, as the actual problem only materializes with high frequencies,
in practice we don't have a problem with pck or lck dividers. The reason
is that if we used pcd or lcd of 3, and the resulting pixel clock would
be > 100, the incoming DSS func clock would be around 300. Which is much
over the limit, and thus this scenario doesn't happen.

>> As a workaround this patch makes the divider calculation skip all odd
>> dividers when the required pixel clock is over 100MHz.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
>> ---
>>   drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c |    5 +++++
>>   1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> b/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> index 7d0db2b..d0e35da 100644
>> --- a/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> +++ b/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> @@ -1386,6 +1386,11 @@ retry:
>>                   cur.dsi_pll_hsdiv_dispc_clk =
>>                       cur.clkin4ddr / cur.regm_dispc;
>>
>> +                if (cur.regm_dispc > 1 &&
>> +                        cur.regm_dispc % 2 != 0 &&
>> +                        req_pck >= 1000000)
>> +                    continue;
>> +
> 
> Why do we do the req_pck check here? Can't we do it much earlier? We
> could bail out right in the beginning of dsi_pll_calc_clock_div_pck() if
> we see that req_pck is greater than 100 Mhz.

I think you misunderstood the patch. We don't skip or fail calculations
for pck > 100. What we do is we skip odd dividers if pck > 100.

> Also, we could maybe have a comment (or in the commit message) saying
> that we chose the 100 Mhz to make it a safe bet.

Hmm, yes, I should point out that 100MHz is just a guesstimate.

 Tomi



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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
To: Archit Taneja <archit@ti.com>
Cc: linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, rob@ti.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/12] OMAPDSS: DSI: skip odd dividers when pck >= 100MHz
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5090D29A.3050605@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5090C8F9.4060103@ti.com>

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On 2012-10-31 08:45, Archit Taneja wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 October 2012 09:40 PM, Tomi Valkeinen wrote:
>> The DSI PLL and HSDivider can be used to generate the pixel clock for
>> LCD overlay manager, which then goes to DPI output. On the DPI output
>> pin the voltage of the signal is shifted from the OMAP's internal
>> minimal voltage to 1.8V range. The shifting is not instant, and the
>> higher the clock frequency, the less time there is to shift the signal
>> to nominal voltage.
>>
>> If the HSDivider's divider is greater than one and odd, the resulting
>> pixel clock does not have 50% duty cycle. For example, with a divider of
>> 3, the duty cycle is 33%.
>>
>> When combining high frequency (in the area of 140MHz+) and non-50% duty
>> cycle, it has been observed the the shifter does not have enough time to
>> shift the voltage enough, and this leads to bad signal which is rejected
>> by monitors.
> 
> Is this something seen on OMAP3 also? I guess it must be since it's the
> same DSI IP.

I have not seen this on OMAP3, but I'm 99% sure the same problem happens
there. But I guess there are many small things affecting the signal
quality, it could be that on omap3 beagleboard the resulting signal
voltage is still inside the standard range, even if odd dividers weaken it.

And I also think that we have the same problem with logic and pixel
clock dividers. My understanding is that all these simple dividers (i.e.
not a PLL or such) are made the same way, and, for example, divider of 3
is produced by keeping the output clock low for 2 cycles of the original
clock, and high for 1 cycle. Which leads to 33% duty cycle.

However, as the actual problem only materializes with high frequencies,
in practice we don't have a problem with pck or lck dividers. The reason
is that if we used pcd or lcd of 3, and the resulting pixel clock would
be > 100, the incoming DSS func clock would be around 300. Which is much
over the limit, and thus this scenario doesn't happen.

>> As a workaround this patch makes the divider calculation skip all odd
>> dividers when the required pixel clock is over 100MHz.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
>> ---
>>   drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c |    5 +++++
>>   1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> b/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> index 7d0db2b..d0e35da 100644
>> --- a/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> +++ b/drivers/video/omap2/dss/dsi.c
>> @@ -1386,6 +1386,11 @@ retry:
>>                   cur.dsi_pll_hsdiv_dispc_clk =
>>                       cur.clkin4ddr / cur.regm_dispc;
>>
>> +                if (cur.regm_dispc > 1 &&
>> +                        cur.regm_dispc % 2 != 0 &&
>> +                        req_pck >= 1000000)
>> +                    continue;
>> +
> 
> Why do we do the req_pck check here? Can't we do it much earlier? We
> could bail out right in the beginning of dsi_pll_calc_clock_div_pck() if
> we see that req_pck is greater than 100 Mhz.

I think you misunderstood the patch. We don't skip or fail calculations
for pck > 100. What we do is we skip odd dividers if pck > 100.

> Also, we could maybe have a comment (or in the commit message) saying
> that we chose the 100 Mhz to make it a safe bet.

Hmm, yes, I should point out that 100MHz is just a guesstimate.

 Tomi



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  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-31  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-30 16:09 [PATCH 00/12] OMAPDSS: use DSI PLL clk for DPI Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:09 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:09 ` [PATCH 01/12] OMAPFB: remove use of extended edid block Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:09   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  6:10   ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  6:22     ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  6:23     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  6:23       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:09 ` [PATCH 02/12] OMAPFB: improve mode selection from EDID Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:09   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 03/12] OMAPDSS: fix DPI & DSI init order Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 04/12] OMAPDSS: fix DSI2 PLL clk names Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 05/12] OMAPDSS: DSI: skip odd dividers when pck >= 100MHz Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  6:45   ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  6:57     ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  7:26     ` Tomi Valkeinen [this message]
2012-10-31  7:26       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  7:32       ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  7:44         ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 06/12] OMAPDSS: DSI: workaround for HSDiv problem Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 07/12] OMAPDSS: add dss_calc_clock_rates() back Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 08/12] OMAPDSS: setup default dss fck Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  6:31   ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  6:43     ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  7:32     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  7:32       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 09/12] OMAPDSS: hide dss_select_dispc_clk_source() Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  6:54   ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  6:54     ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  7:17     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  7:17       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 10/12] OMAPDSS: DPI: use dpi.dsidev to see whether to use dsi pll Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 11/12] OMAPDSS: DPI: verify if DSI PLL is operational Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10 ` [PATCH 12/12] OMAPDSS: DPI: always use DSI PLL if available Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-30 16:10   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-10-31  7:26   ` Archit Taneja
2012-10-31  7:38     ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-02 10:08     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-02 10:08       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-02 10:44       ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-02 10:56         ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-02 10:49         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-02 10:49           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-02 11:09           ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-02 11:21             ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-02 11:28             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-02 11:28               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-02 11:56               ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-02 11:56                 ` Archit Taneja
2012-11-05  8:55                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-05  8:55                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-05 14:21                   ` Rob Clark
2012-11-05 14:21                     ` Rob Clark
2012-11-06 13:41                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-06 13:41                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-06 14:40                       ` Rob Clark
2012-11-06 14:40                         ` Rob Clark
2012-11-07 10:01                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-07 10:01                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-07 14:32                           ` Rob Clark
2012-11-07 14:32                             ` Rob Clark
2012-11-07 15:13                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-07 15:13                               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-07 19:18                               ` Rob Clark
2012-11-07 19:18                                 ` Rob Clark
2012-11-08  7:39                                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2012-11-08  7:39                                   ` Tomi Valkeinen

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