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From: Jacek Anaszewski <j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Rob Herring <robherring2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-leds-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
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	Sylwester Nawrocki
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	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
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	Ian Campbell
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	Kumar Gala <galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC v10 03/19] DT: leds: Add led-sources property
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:42:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B4DA81.7060900@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqKpJtUG0G6g1GOuSVpc31oe-dp3qdrKJUE0upG-xRDFhA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 01/12/2015 05:55 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
> Adding Mark B and Liam...
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Jacek Anaszewski
> <j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> On 01/12/2015 02:52 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Jacek Anaszewski
>>> <j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> On 01/09/2015 07:33 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Jacek Anaszewski
>>>>> <j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Add a property for defining the device outputs the LED
>>>>>> represented by the DT child node is connected to.
>
> [...]
>
>>>>>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/leds/common.txt
>>>>>> index a2c3f7a..29295bf 100644
>>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/leds/common.txt
>>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/leds/common.txt
>>>>>> @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@
>>>>>>     Common leds properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Optional properties for child nodes:
>>>>>> +- led-sources : Array of bits signifying the LED current regulator
>>>>>> outputs the
>>>>>> +               LED represented by the child node is connected to (1 -
>>>>>> the LED
>>>>>> +               is connected to the output, 0 - the LED isn't connected
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> +               output).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I just don't understand this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In some Flash LED devices one LED can be connected to one or more
>>>> electric current outputs, which allows for multiplying the maximum
>>>> current allowed for the LED. Each sub-LED is represented by a child
>>>> node in the DT binding of the Flash LED device and it needs to declare
>>>> which outputs it is connected to. In the example below the led-sources
>>>> property is a two element array, which means that the flash LED device
>>>> has two current outputs, and the bits signify if the LED is connected
>>>> to the output.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a regulator for which we already have bindings for and we
>>> have a driver for regulator based LEDs (but no binding for it).
>>
>>
>> Do you think of drivers/leds/leds-regulator.c driver? This driver just
>> allows for registering an arbitrary regulator device as a LED subsystem
>> device.
>>
>> There are however devices that don't fall into this category, i.e. they
>> have many outputs, that can be connected to a single LED or to many LEDs
>> and the driver has to know what is the actual arrangement.
>
> We may need to extend the regulator binding slightly and allow for
> multiple phandles on a supply property, but wouldn't something like
> this work:
>
> led-supply = <&led-reg0>, <&led-reg1>, <&led-reg2>, <&led-reg3>;
>
> The shared source is already supported by the regulator binding.

I think that we shouldn't split the LED devices into power supply
providers and consumers as in case of generic regulators. From this
point of view a LED device current output is a provider and a discrete
LED element is a consumer. In this approach each discrete LED element
should have a related driver which is not how LED devices are being
handled in the LED subsystem, where there is a single binding for a LED
device and there is a single driver for it which creates separate LED
class devices for each LED connected to the LED device output. Each
discrete LED is represented by a child node in the LED device binding.

I am aware that it may be tempting to treat LED devices as common
regulators, but they have their specific features which gave a
reason for introducing LED class for them. Besides, there is already
drivers/leds/leds-regulator.c driver for LED devices which support only
turning on/off and setting brightness level.

In your proposition a separate regulator provider binding would have
to be created for each current output and a separate binding for
each discrete LED connected to the LED device. It would create
unnecessary noise in a dts file.

Moreover, using regulator binding implies that we want to treat it
as a sheer power supply for our device (which would be a discrete LED
element in this case), whereas LED devices provide more features like
blinking pattern and for flash LED devices - flash timeout, external
strobe and flash faults.

-- 
Best Regards,
Jacek Anaszewski
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From: Jacek Anaszewski <j.anaszewski@samsung.com>
To: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-leds@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kyungmin Park <kyungmin.park@samsung.com>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Bryan Wu <cooloney@gmail.com>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
	sakari.ailus@iki.fi, Sylwester Nawrocki <s.nawrocki@samsung.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC v10 03/19] DT: leds: Add led-sources property
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:42:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B4DA81.7060900@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_JsqKpJtUG0G6g1GOuSVpc31oe-dp3qdrKJUE0upG-xRDFhA@mail.gmail.com>

On 01/12/2015 05:55 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
> Adding Mark B and Liam...
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Jacek Anaszewski
> <j.anaszewski@samsung.com> wrote:
>> On 01/12/2015 02:52 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:32 AM, Jacek Anaszewski
>>> <j.anaszewski@samsung.com> wrote:
>>>> On 01/09/2015 07:33 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Jacek Anaszewski
>>>>> <j.anaszewski@samsung.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Add a property for defining the device outputs the LED
>>>>>> represented by the DT child node is connected to.
>
> [...]
>
>>>>>> b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/leds/common.txt
>>>>>> index a2c3f7a..29295bf 100644
>>>>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/leds/common.txt
>>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/leds/common.txt
>>>>>> @@ -1,6 +1,10 @@
>>>>>>     Common leds properties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Optional properties for child nodes:
>>>>>> +- led-sources : Array of bits signifying the LED current regulator
>>>>>> outputs the
>>>>>> +               LED represented by the child node is connected to (1 -
>>>>>> the LED
>>>>>> +               is connected to the output, 0 - the LED isn't connected
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> +               output).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I just don't understand this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In some Flash LED devices one LED can be connected to one or more
>>>> electric current outputs, which allows for multiplying the maximum
>>>> current allowed for the LED. Each sub-LED is represented by a child
>>>> node in the DT binding of the Flash LED device and it needs to declare
>>>> which outputs it is connected to. In the example below the led-sources
>>>> property is a two element array, which means that the flash LED device
>>>> has two current outputs, and the bits signify if the LED is connected
>>>> to the output.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a regulator for which we already have bindings for and we
>>> have a driver for regulator based LEDs (but no binding for it).
>>
>>
>> Do you think of drivers/leds/leds-regulator.c driver? This driver just
>> allows for registering an arbitrary regulator device as a LED subsystem
>> device.
>>
>> There are however devices that don't fall into this category, i.e. they
>> have many outputs, that can be connected to a single LED or to many LEDs
>> and the driver has to know what is the actual arrangement.
>
> We may need to extend the regulator binding slightly and allow for
> multiple phandles on a supply property, but wouldn't something like
> this work:
>
> led-supply = <&led-reg0>, <&led-reg1>, <&led-reg2>, <&led-reg3>;
>
> The shared source is already supported by the regulator binding.

I think that we shouldn't split the LED devices into power supply
providers and consumers as in case of generic regulators. From this
point of view a LED device current output is a provider and a discrete
LED element is a consumer. In this approach each discrete LED element
should have a related driver which is not how LED devices are being
handled in the LED subsystem, where there is a single binding for a LED
device and there is a single driver for it which creates separate LED
class devices for each LED connected to the LED device output. Each
discrete LED is represented by a child node in the LED device binding.

I am aware that it may be tempting to treat LED devices as common
regulators, but they have their specific features which gave a
reason for introducing LED class for them. Besides, there is already
drivers/leds/leds-regulator.c driver for LED devices which support only
turning on/off and setting brightness level.

In your proposition a separate regulator provider binding would have
to be created for each current output and a separate binding for
each discrete LED connected to the LED device. It would create
unnecessary noise in a dts file.

Moreover, using regulator binding implies that we want to treat it
as a sheer power supply for our device (which would be a discrete LED
element in this case), whereas LED devices provide more features like
blinking pattern and for flash LED devices - flash timeout, external
strobe and flash faults.

-- 
Best Regards,
Jacek Anaszewski

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-13  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-09 15:22 [PATCH/RFC v10 00/19] LED / flash API integration Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 01/19] leds: Add LED Flash class extension to the LED subsystem Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:37   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-26 23:02     ` Bryan Wu
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 02/19] Documentation: leds: Add description of LED Flash class extension Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:40   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12  8:04     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-26 23:03       ` Bryan Wu
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 03/19] DT: leds: Add led-sources property Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:42   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-4-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 18:33     ` Rob Herring
2015-01-09 18:33       ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12  8:32       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-12 13:52         ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12 16:10           ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-12 16:55             ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12 17:06               ` Mark Brown
2015-01-15 12:33                 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2015-01-15 14:37                   ` Rob Herring
2015-01-15 21:03                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-16 10:17                     ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2015-01-16 10:17                       ` Sylwester Nawrocki
     [not found]               ` <CAL_JsqKpJtUG0G6g1GOuSVpc31oe-dp3qdrKJUE0upG-xRDFhA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-13  8:42                 ` Jacek Anaszewski [this message]
2015-01-13  8:42                   ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-15 14:24                   ` Rob Herring
2015-01-15 15:53                     ` Mark Brown
2015-01-16  9:07                     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-16 13:48                       ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                         ` <CAL_Jsq+EFWzs1HP1tVt6P=p=HZn2AtSPjp55YrmMQi_mE+kNfQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-16 15:52                           ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-16 15:52                             ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-20 16:09                             ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-20 17:29                               ` Rob Herring
2015-01-20 17:40                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-21  9:39                                   ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-28  7:04                                     ` Sakari Ailus
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 04/19] dt-binding: mfd: max77693: Add DT binding related macros Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:43   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-20 11:12   ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 12:53     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-28  8:52       ` Sakari Ailus
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 05/19] mfd: max77693: Modify flash cell name identifiers Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:53   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-6-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 11:13     ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 11:13       ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 12:57       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-20 12:57         ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-20 15:41         ` Lee Jones
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 06/19] mfd: max77693: modifications around max77693_led_platform_data Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:56   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-7-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 11:15     ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 11:15       ` Lee Jones
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 07/19] mfd: max77693: Adjust FLASH_EN_SHIFT and TORCH_EN_SHIFT macros Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:59   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-20 11:17   ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 13:01     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-20 14:11       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-20 15:40         ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 16:00           ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-20 16:41             ` Lee Jones
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 08/19] leds: Add support for max77693 mfd flash cell Jacek Anaszewski
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-9-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 18:46     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 18:46       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12  8:52       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-12 13:25         ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 13:46           ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-02-05 15:34     ` Sakari Ailus
2015-02-05 15:34       ` Sakari Ailus
2015-02-05 16:26       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 15:22 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 09/19] DT: Add documentation for the mfd Maxim max77693 Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 17:52   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-20 11:21   ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 14:36     ` Jacek Anaszewski
     [not found]       ` <54BE67EA.2070507-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-20 15:38         ` Lee Jones
2015-01-20 15:38           ` Lee Jones
     [not found] ` <1420816989-1808-1-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 15:23   ` [PATCH/RFC v10 10/19] leds: Add driver for AAT1290 current regulator Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 15:23     ` Jacek Anaszewski
     [not found]     ` <1420816989-1808-11-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 18:57       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 18:57         ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 11/19] of: Add Skyworks Solutions, Inc. vendor prefix Jacek Anaszewski
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-12-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 18:57     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 18:57       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 12/19] DT: Add documentation for the Skyworks AAT1290 Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 18:58   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 13/19] exynos4-is: Add support for v4l2-flash subdevs Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 19:06   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 14/19] v4l2-ctrls: Add V4L2_CID_FLASH_SYNC_STROBE control Jacek Anaszewski
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-15-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 19:06     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 19:06       ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-05 16:36   ` Sakari Ailus
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 15/19] media: Add registration helpers for V4L2 flash sub-devices Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 20:54   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12  9:46     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-12  9:46       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-12 13:27       ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-05 17:59   ` Sakari Ailus
2015-02-09 11:15     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 16/19] Documentation: leds: Add description of v4l2-flash sub-device Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 20:57   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 17/19] DT: Add documentation for exynos4-is 'flashes' property Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 20:57   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-21 16:32   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2015-01-22  8:47     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 18/19] leds: max77693: add support for V4L2 Flash sub-device Jacek Anaszewski
2015-01-09 20:59   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:23 ` [PATCH/RFC v10 19/19] leds: aat1290: " Jacek Anaszewski
     [not found]   ` <1420816989-1808-20-git-send-email-j.anaszewski-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-09 20:59     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 20:59       ` Pavel Machek

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