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From: Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org>
To: Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com>
Cc: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	aquini@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	mchehab+samsung@kernel.org, will@kernel.org, bhe@redhat.com,
	ath10k@lists.infradead.org, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	mingo@redhat.com, dyoung@redhat.com, pmladek@suse.com,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	gpiccoli@canonical.com, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	cai@lca.pw, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	"<netdev@vger.kernel.org>" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	schlad@suse.de, Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	jeyu@kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/15] ath10k: use new module_firmware_crashed()
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:01:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+ASDXPAVJwyThAXRQT0_ao4s1nDYOEQifxMc+JsEMa=cTEGJA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANUX_P1pnV46gOo0aL6QV0b+49ubB7C5nuUOuOfoT7aOM+ye9w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:37 PM Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I believe we already have this uevent, it is the devcoredump. All
> we need is to add the unique id.

I think there are a few reasons that devcoredump doesn't satisfy what
either Luis or I want.

1) it can be disabled entirely [1], for good reasons (e.g., think of
non-${CHIP_VENDOR} folks, who can't (and don't want to) do anything
with the opaque dumps provided by closed-source firmware)
2) not all drivers necessarily have a useful dump to provide when
there's a crash; look at the rest of Luis's series to see the kinds of
drivers-with-firmware that are crashing, some of which aren't dumping
anything
3) for those that do support devcoredump, it may be used for purposes
that are not "crashes" -- e.g., some provide debugfs or other knobs to
initiate dumps, for diagnostic or debugging purposes

Brian

[1] devcd_disabled
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/base/devcoredump.c?h=v5.6#n22

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From: Brian Norris <briannorris@chromium.org>
To: Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com>
Cc: aquini@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	mchehab+samsung@kernel.org, will@kernel.org, schlad@suse.de,
	bhe@redhat.com, ath10k@lists.infradead.org,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	mingo@redhat.com, dyoung@redhat.com, pmladek@suse.com,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	gpiccoli@canonical.com, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	cai@lca.pw, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kalle Valo <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	"<netdev@vger.kernel.org>" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	jeyu@kernel.org, Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 12/15] ath10k: use new module_firmware_crashed()
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:01:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+ASDXPAVJwyThAXRQT0_ao4s1nDYOEQifxMc+JsEMa=cTEGJA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANUX_P1pnV46gOo0aL6QV0b+49ubB7C5nuUOuOfoT7aOM+ye9w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:37 PM Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I believe we already have this uevent, it is the devcoredump. All
> we need is to add the unique id.

I think there are a few reasons that devcoredump doesn't satisfy what
either Luis or I want.

1) it can be disabled entirely [1], for good reasons (e.g., think of
non-${CHIP_VENDOR} folks, who can't (and don't want to) do anything
with the opaque dumps provided by closed-source firmware)
2) not all drivers necessarily have a useful dump to provide when
there's a crash; look at the rest of Luis's series to see the kinds of
drivers-with-firmware that are crashing, some of which aren't dumping
anything
3) for those that do support devcoredump, it may be used for purposes
that are not "crashes" -- e.g., some provide debugfs or other knobs to
initiate dumps, for diagnostic or debugging purposes

Brian

[1] devcd_disabled
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/base/devcoredump.c?h=v5.6#n22

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-21 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-15 21:28 [PATCH v2 00/15] net: taint when the device driver firmware crashes Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] taint: add module firmware crash taint support Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:03   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-19 16:42   ` Jessica Yu
2020-05-22  5:17     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] ethernet/839: use new module_firmware_crashed() Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:04   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] bnx2x: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:05   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] bnxt: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:06   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-16  5:14   ` Vasundhara Volam
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] bna: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:07   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] liquidio: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:07   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] cxgb4: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:09   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] ehea: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:09   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] qed: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:10   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] soc: qcom: ipa: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:10   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-19 22:34   ` Alex Elder
2020-05-22  5:28     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22 20:52       ` Alex Elder
2020-05-22 21:53         ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] wimax/i2400m: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:11   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] ath10k: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-15 21:28   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:11   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-16  4:11     ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-16 13:24   ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-16 13:24     ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-16 13:50     ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-16 13:50       ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 16:56       ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 16:56         ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-19  1:23       ` Brian Norris
2020-05-19  1:23         ` Brian Norris
2020-05-19 14:02         ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-19 14:02           ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-20  0:47           ` Brian Norris
2020-05-20  0:47             ` Brian Norris
2020-05-20  5:37             ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2020-05-20  5:37               ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2020-05-20  8:32               ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-05-20  8:32                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-05-21 19:01               ` Brian Norris [this message]
2020-05-21 19:01                 ` Brian Norris
2020-05-22  5:12                 ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2020-05-22  5:12                   ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2020-05-22  5:23                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22  5:23                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 16:51     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 16:51       ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 16:58       ` Ben Greear
2020-05-18 16:58         ` Ben Greear
2020-05-18 17:09         ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 17:09           ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 17:15           ` Ben Greear
2020-05-18 17:15             ` Ben Greear
2020-05-18 17:18             ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 17:18               ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 18:06               ` Steve deRosier
2020-05-18 18:06                 ` Steve deRosier
2020-05-18 19:09                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 19:09                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 19:25                   ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 19:25                     ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 19:59                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 19:59                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 20:07                       ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 20:07                         ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 21:18                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 21:18                           ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 20:28                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 20:28                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 20:29                       ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 20:29                         ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 20:35                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 20:35                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 20:41                           ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 20:41                             ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-18 20:46                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 20:46                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 21:22                               ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 21:22                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-18 22:16                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-18 22:16                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-19  1:05                                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-19  1:05                                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-19 21:15                                     ` [RFC 1/2] devlink: add simple fw crash helpers Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-19 21:15                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-22  5:20                                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22  5:20                                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22 17:17                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-22 17:17                                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-22 20:46                                           ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-22 20:46                                             ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-22 21:51                                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22 21:51                                               ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22 23:23                                               ` Steve deRosier
2020-05-22 23:23                                                 ` Steve deRosier
2020-05-22 23:44                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22 23:44                                                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-25  9:07                                                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-05-25  9:07                                                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-05-25 17:08                                                   ` Ben Greear
2020-05-25 17:08                                                     ` Ben Greear
2020-05-25 20:57                                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-25 20:57                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-07-30 13:56                                               ` Johannes Berg
2020-07-30 13:56                                                 ` Johannes Berg
2020-05-22 21:49                                           ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-22 21:49                                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-19 21:15                                     ` [RFC 2/2] i2400m: use devlink health reporter Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-19 21:15                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] ath6kl: use new module_firmware_crashed() Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-15 21:28   ` Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:12   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-16  4:12     ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] brcm80211: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:13   ` Rafael Aquini
2020-05-15 21:28 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] mwl8k: " Luis Chamberlain
2020-05-16  4:13   ` Rafael Aquini

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