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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for rare_write() infrastructure
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jLMKA3OwshsQn4yc1eXFwSuD3xbaYY56RY_Uu3TBAWG3A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1490866441.10874.44.camel@hellion.org.uk>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-03-29 at 11:15 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> diff --git a/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c b/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c
>> index c7635a79341f..8fbadfa4cc34 100644
>> --- a/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c
>> +++ b/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c
>> [...]
>> +/* This is marked __wr_rare, so it should ultimately be .rodata. */
>> +static unsigned long wr_rare __wr_rare = 0xAA66AA66;
>> [...]
>> +void lkdtm_WRITE_RARE_WRITE(void)
>> +{
>> +     /* Explicitly cast away "const" for the test. */
>
> wr_rare isn't actually declared const above though? I don't think
> __wr_rare includes a const, apologies if I missed it.

Yeah, good point. I think this was a left-over from an earlier version
where I'd forgotten about that detail.

> OOI, if wr_rare _were_ const then can the compiler optimise the a pair
> of reads spanning the rare_write? i.e. adding const to the declaration
> above to get:
>
>     static const unsigned long wr_rare __wr_rare = 0xAA66AA66;
> x = wr_read;
> rare_write(x, 0xf000baaa);
> y = wr_read;
>
> Is it possible that x == y == 0xaa66aa66 because gcc realises the x and
> y came from the same const location? Have I missed a clobber somewhere
> (I can't actually find a definition of __arch_rare_write_memcpy in this
> series so maybe it's there), or is such code expected to always cast
> away the const first?
>
> I suppose such constructs are rare in practice in the sorts of places
> where rare_write is appropriate, but with aggressive inlining it could
> occur as an unexpected trap for the unwary perhaps.

Right, __wr_rare is actually marked as .data..ro_after_init, which gcc
effectively ignores (thinking it's part of .data), but the linker
script later movies this section into the read-only portion with
.rodata. As a result, the compiler treats it as writable, but the
storage location is actually read-only.

(And, AIUI, the constify plugin makes things read-only in a similar
way, though I think it's more subtle but still avoids the
const-optimization dangers.)

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

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From: keescook@chromium.org (Kees Cook)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for rare_write() infrastructure
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:16:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGXu5jLMKA3OwshsQn4yc1eXFwSuD3xbaYY56RY_Uu3TBAWG3A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1490866441.10874.44.camel@hellion.org.uk>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-03-29 at 11:15 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> diff --git a/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c b/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c
>> index c7635a79341f..8fbadfa4cc34 100644
>> --- a/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c
>> +++ b/drivers/misc/lkdtm_perms.c
>> [...]
>> +/* This is marked __wr_rare, so it should ultimately be .rodata. */
>> +static unsigned long wr_rare __wr_rare = 0xAA66AA66;
>> [...]
>> +void lkdtm_WRITE_RARE_WRITE(void)
>> +{
>> +     /* Explicitly cast away "const" for the test. */
>
> wr_rare isn't actually declared const above though? I don't think
> __wr_rare includes a const, apologies if I missed it.

Yeah, good point. I think this was a left-over from an earlier version
where I'd forgotten about that detail.

> OOI, if wr_rare _were_ const then can the compiler optimise the a pair
> of reads spanning the rare_write? i.e. adding const to the declaration
> above to get:
>
>     static const unsigned long wr_rare __wr_rare = 0xAA66AA66;
> x = wr_read;
> rare_write(x, 0xf000baaa);
> y = wr_read;
>
> Is it possible that x == y == 0xaa66aa66 because gcc realises the x and
> y came from the same const location? Have I missed a clobber somewhere
> (I can't actually find a definition of __arch_rare_write_memcpy in this
> series so maybe it's there), or is such code expected to always cast
> away the const first?
>
> I suppose such constructs are rare in practice in the sorts of places
> where rare_write is appropriate, but with aggressive inlining it could
> occur as an unexpected trap for the unwary perhaps.

Right, __wr_rare is actually marked as .data..ro_after_init, which gcc
effectively ignores (thinking it's part of .data), but the linker
script later movies this section into the read-only portion with
.rodata. As a result, the compiler treats it as writable, but the
storage location is actually read-only.

(And, AIUI, the constify plugin makes things read-only in a similar
way, though I think it's more subtle but still avoids the
const-optimization dangers.)

-Kees

-- 
Kees Cook
Pixel Security

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-30 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-29 18:15 [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 01/11] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:23     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30  7:44     ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30  7:44       ` [kernel-hardening] " Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30  7:44       ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-03-30 17:02       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 17:02         ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-30 17:02         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07  8:09   ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07  8:09     ` [kernel-hardening] " Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07  8:09     ` Ho-Eun Ryu
2017-04-07 20:38     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 20:38       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-04-07 20:38       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 02/11] lkdtm: add test for " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30  9:34   ` [kernel-hardening] " Ian Campbell
2017-03-30  9:34     ` Ian Campbell
2017-03-30 16:16     ` Kees Cook [this message]
2017-03-30 16:16       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30 16:16       ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 03/11] net: switch sock_diag handlers to rare_write() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 04/11] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/unmap() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 22:38   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-29 22:38     ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-29 22:38     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-30  1:41     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-30  1:41       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-30  1:41       ` Kees Cook
2017-04-05 23:57       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-05 23:57         ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-05 23:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06  0:14         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-06  0:14           ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-04-06  0:14           ` Kees Cook
2017-04-06 15:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06 15:59             ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-06 15:59             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07  8:34             ` [kernel-hardening] " Mathias Krause
2017-04-07  8:34               ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07  8:34               ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07  9:46               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07  9:46                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07  9:46                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 10:51                 ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 10:51                   ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 10:51                   ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:14                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:14                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:14                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 13:30                     ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:30                       ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 13:30                       ` Mathias Krause
2017-04-07 16:14                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:14                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:14                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 16:22                         ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 16:22                           ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 16:22                           ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:58                         ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:58                           ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:58                           ` PaX Team
2017-04-08  4:58                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  4:58                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  4:58                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 12:47                             ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 12:47                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 12:47                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-10  0:10                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:10                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:10                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 10:42                                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 10:42                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 10:42                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 16:01                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 16:01                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 16:01                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 20:44                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 20:44                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 20:44                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 21:20                           ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 21:20                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07 21:20                             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-08  4:12                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:12                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:12                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:13                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:13                                 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:13                                 ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:21                         ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:21                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  4:21                           ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  5:07                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  5:07                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  5:07                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08  7:33                             ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  7:33                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08  7:33                               ` Daniel Micay
2017-04-08 15:20                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08 15:20                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-08 15:20                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-09 10:53                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-09 10:53                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-09 10:53                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-04-10 10:22                                 ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:22                                   ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:22                                   ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-09 20:24                             ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 20:24                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-09 20:24                               ` PaX Team
2017-04-10  0:31                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:31                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10  0:31                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 19:47                                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:47                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:47                                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 20:27                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:27                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:27                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:13                               ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:13                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:13                                 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-10 20:17                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:17                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-10 20:17                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-04-07 19:25                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 19:25                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 19:25                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-07 14:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07 14:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07 14:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-10 10:29                     ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:29                       ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-10 10:29                       ` Mark Rutland
2017-04-07 19:52                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:52                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-07 19:52                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-10  8:26                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10  8:26                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10  8:26                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-04-10 19:55                     ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:55                       ` PaX Team
2017-04-10 19:55                       ` PaX Team
2017-04-07  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:37     ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 05/11] ARM: mm: dump: Add domain to output Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 06/11] ARM: domains: Extract common USER domain init Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 07/11] ARM: mm: set DOMAIN_WR_RARE for rodata Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:15   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 08/11] ARM: Implement __arch_rare_write_begin/end() Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-07  9:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:36     ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07  9:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 09/11] list: add rare_write() list helpers Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 10/11] gcc-plugins: Add constify plugin Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16 ` [RFC v2][PATCH 11/11] cgroups: force all struct cftype const Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 18:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:00 ` [RFC v2] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:00   ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:00   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-29 19:14   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:14     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-03-29 19:14     ` Kees Cook

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