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From: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexander Viro
	<viro-RmSDqhL/yNMiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andreas Dilger
	<adilger.kernel-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Trond Myklebust
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	Anna Schumaker
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	Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
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	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v23 17/22] richacl: Automatic Inheritance
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:28:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHc6FU6k+eZ1Ozc8wofDBNOAHZzvXXWMAs1NJNTbd9Ntbqqsqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160712191142.GE449-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:11 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 07:56:00AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
>> Barf. AI seems like a trainwreck waiting to happen. What are the
>> chances that userland is going to get this right?
>
> This is just taken from Windows, so presumably Samba should do the right
> thing (with one workaround required--see the discussion of PROTECTED in
> the changelog).
>
>> Still, I do applaud the fact that you're just doing the bare minimum in
>> kernel to support userland apps that want this. Thanks for not trying
>> to push the propagation of the changed ACEs into the kernel.
>
> Agreed.  But, again, this is just what Windows does.  (I wonder whether
> there's an OS that's actually tried do any sort of atomic propagation.)

NetWare's NSS filesystem did have automatic propagation, but I think
that was implemented by composing the permissions along the path to a
file at access time.

Andreas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@netapp.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	XFS Developers <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v23 17/22] richacl: Automatic Inheritance
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:28:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHc6FU6k+eZ1Ozc8wofDBNOAHZzvXXWMAs1NJNTbd9Ntbqqsqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160712191142.GE449@fieldses.org>

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:11 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 07:56:00AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
>> Barf. AI seems like a trainwreck waiting to happen. What are the
>> chances that userland is going to get this right?
>
> This is just taken from Windows, so presumably Samba should do the right
> thing (with one workaround required--see the discussion of PROTECTED in
> the changelog).
>
>> Still, I do applaud the fact that you're just doing the bare minimum in
>> kernel to support userland apps that want this. Thanks for not trying
>> to push the propagation of the changed ACEs into the kernel.
>
> Agreed.  But, again, this is just what Windows does.  (I wonder whether
> there's an OS that's actually tried do any sort of atomic propagation.)

NetWare's NSS filesystem did have automatic propagation, but I think
that was implemented by composing the permissions along the path to a
file at access time.

Andreas

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	XFS Developers <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@netapp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v23 17/22] richacl: Automatic Inheritance
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:28:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHc6FU6k+eZ1Ozc8wofDBNOAHZzvXXWMAs1NJNTbd9Ntbqqsqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160712191142.GE449@fieldses.org>

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:11 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 07:56:00AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
>> Barf. AI seems like a trainwreck waiting to happen. What are the
>> chances that userland is going to get this right?
>
> This is just taken from Windows, so presumably Samba should do the right
> thing (with one workaround required--see the discussion of PROTECTED in
> the changelog).
>
>> Still, I do applaud the fact that you're just doing the bare minimum in
>> kernel to support userland apps that want this. Thanks for not trying
>> to push the propagation of the changed ACEs into the kernel.
>
> Agreed.  But, again, this is just what Windows does.  (I wonder whether
> there's an OS that's actually tried do any sort of atomic propagation.)

NetWare's NSS filesystem did have automatic propagation, but I think
that was implemented by composing the permissions along the path to a
file at access time.

Andreas

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Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-30 13:46 [PATCH v23 00/22] Richacls (Core and Ext4) Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 01/22] vfs: Add IS_ACL() and IS_RICHACL() tests Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-05 11:00   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:00     ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 02/22] vfs: Add MAY_CREATE_FILE and MAY_CREATE_DIR permission flags Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-3-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 11:02     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:02       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:02       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 03/22] vfs: Add MAY_DELETE_SELF and MAY_DELETE_CHILD " Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-4-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 11:07     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:07       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:07       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 04/22] vfs: Make the inode passed to inode_change_ok non-const Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-5-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 11:12     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:12       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:12       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 05/22] vfs: Add permission flags for setting file attributes Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-05 11:18   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:18     ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 06/22] richacl: In-memory representation and helper functions Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-05 11:34   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:34     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 11:34     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]     ` <1467718448.3800.16.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 10:11       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-11 10:11         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-11 10:11         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 07/22] richacl: Permission mapping functions Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-05 13:39   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 13:39     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 13:39     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-11 13:26     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-11 13:26       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46 ` [PATCH v23 08/22] richacl: Compute maximum file masks from an acl Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:46   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-9-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 14:22     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 14:22       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 14:22       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 17:08       ` Frank Filz
2016-07-05 17:08         ` Frank Filz
2016-07-05 17:08         ` Frank Filz
2016-07-13 12:34         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-13 12:34           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-13 19:38           ` Frank Filz
2016-07-13 19:38             ` Frank Filz
2016-07-13 19:38             ` Frank Filz
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 09/22] richacl: Permission check algorithm Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-05 14:59   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 14:59     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-11 13:28     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-11 13:28       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 10/22] posix_acl: Improve xattr fixup code Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-11-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 15:38     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 15:38       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 15:38       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 11/22] vfs: Cache base_acl objects in inodes Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-12-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-05 15:56     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 15:56       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-05 15:56       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 12/22] vfs: Add get_richacl and set_richacl inode operations Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-13-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 18:31     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-06 18:31       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-06 18:31       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 13/22] vfs: Cache richacl in struct inode Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-14-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-06 18:57     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-06 18:57       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-06 18:57       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-14 20:02       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-14 20:02         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467831425.2908.16.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-07 14:14     ` David Howells
2016-07-07 14:14       ` David Howells
2016-07-07 14:14       ` David Howells
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 14/22] richacl: Update the file masks in chmod() Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
     [not found]   ` <1467294433-3222-15-git-send-email-agruenba-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 11:36     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:36       ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:36       ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 15/22] richacl: Check if an acl is equivalent to a file mode Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 11:39   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:39     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:39     ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 16/22] richacl: Create-time inheritance Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 11:41   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:41     ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 17/22] richacl: Automatic Inheritance Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 11:56   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:56     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 11:56     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]     ` <1468324560.7798.14.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:11       ` J. Bruce Fields
2016-07-12 19:11         ` J. Bruce Fields
2016-07-12 19:11         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]         ` <20160712191142.GE449-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 20:28           ` Andreas Gruenbacher [this message]
2016-07-12 20:28             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 20:28             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 18/22] richacl: xattr mapping functions Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 12:02   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 12:02     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-14 20:33     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-14 20:33       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 19/22] richacl: Add richacl xattr handler Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 12:13   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 12:13     ` Jeff Layton
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 20/22] vfs: Add richacl permission checking Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-12 12:13   ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 12:13     ` Jeff Layton
2016-07-12 12:13     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]     ` <1468325634.7798.24.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 20:59       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-14 20:59         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-07-14 20:59         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 21/22] ext4: Add richacl support Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47 ` [PATCH v23 22/22] ext4: Add richacl feature flag Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 13:47   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2016-06-30 14:11 ` [PATCH v23 00/22] Richacls (Core and Ext4) Volker Lendecke
2016-06-30 14:11   ` Volker Lendecke

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