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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Liguori, Anthony" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	Daniel Gruss <daniel.gruss@iaik.tugraz.at>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/16] x86/entry/32: Enter the kernel via trampoline stack
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:46:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXNZ8unv=gp5FqEm9mi3wUK03VKsfHsREk+WFXRViHwoQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180122101118.GG28161@8bytes.org>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org> wrote:
> Hey Andy,
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 08:30:33AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> I meant that we could have sp0 have a genuinely constant value per
>> cpu.  That means that the entry trampoline ends up with RIP, etc in a
>> different place depending on whether VM was in use, but the entry
>> trampoline code should be able to handle that.  sp1 would have a value
>> that varies by task, but it could just point to the top of the stack
>> instead of being changed depending on whether VM is in use.  Instead,
>> the entry trampoline would offset the registers as needed to keep
>> pt_regs in the right place.
>>
>> I think you already figured all of that out, though :)
>
> Yes, and after looking a while into it, it would make a nice cleanup for
> the entry code. On the other side, it would change the layout for the
> in-kernel 'struct pt_regs', so that the user-visible pt_regs ends up
> with a different layout than the one we use in the the kernel.

I don't think this is necessarily the case.  We end up with four more
fields that are logically there at the end of pt_regs (which is
already kind-of-sort-of the case), but we don't actually need to put
them in struct pt_regs.  We just end up with (regs + 1) != "top of
task stack", but even that has precedent -- it's already true for
tasks in vm86 mode.

>
> This can certainly be all worked out, but it makes this nice entry-code
> cleanup not so nice and clean anymore. At least the work required to
> make it work without breaking user-space is not in the scope of this
> patch-set.

Agreed.  This should probably be saved for later.  Except that your
patch set still needs to come up with some way to function correctly
on vm86.

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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Valentin <eduval@amazon.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Liguori, Anthony" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	Daniel Gruss <daniel.gruss@iaik.tugraz.at>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/16] x86/entry/32: Enter the kernel via trampoline stack
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:46:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXNZ8unv=gp5FqEm9mi3wUK03VKsfHsREk+WFXRViHwoQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180122101118.GG28161@8bytes.org>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org> wrote:
> Hey Andy,
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 08:30:33AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> I meant that we could have sp0 have a genuinely constant value per
>> cpu.  That means that the entry trampoline ends up with RIP, etc in a
>> different place depending on whether VM was in use, but the entry
>> trampoline code should be able to handle that.  sp1 would have a value
>> that varies by task, but it could just point to the top of the stack
>> instead of being changed depending on whether VM is in use.  Instead,
>> the entry trampoline would offset the registers as needed to keep
>> pt_regs in the right place.
>>
>> I think you already figured all of that out, though :)
>
> Yes, and after looking a while into it, it would make a nice cleanup for
> the entry code. On the other side, it would change the layout for the
> in-kernel 'struct pt_regs', so that the user-visible pt_regs ends up
> with a different layout than the one we use in the the kernel.

I don't think this is necessarily the case.  We end up with four more
fields that are logically there at the end of pt_regs (which is
already kind-of-sort-of the case), but we don't actually need to put
them in struct pt_regs.  We just end up with (regs + 1) != "top of
task stack", but even that has precedent -- it's already true for
tasks in vm86 mode.

>
> This can certainly be all worked out, but it makes this nice entry-code
> cleanup not so nice and clean anymore. At least the work required to
> make it work without breaking user-space is not in the scope of this
> patch-set.

Agreed.  This should probably be saved for later.  Except that your
patch set still needs to come up with some way to function correctly
on vm86.

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Thread overview: 183+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-16 16:36 [RFC PATCH 00/16] PTI support for x86-32 Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 01/16] x86/entry/32: Rename TSS_sysenter_sp0 to TSS_sysenter_stack Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 18:35   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 18:35     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 02/16] x86/entry/32: Enter the kernel via trampoline stack Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 20:30   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 20:30     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 22:37     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:37       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:45   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17  9:18     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17  9:18       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 18:10       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17 18:10         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-19  9:55         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19  9:55           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19 16:30           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-19 16:30             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-22 10:11             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-22 10:11               ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-22 17:46               ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-01-22 17:46                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17  2:47   ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-01-17  2:47     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-01-17  9:02     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17  9:02       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 14:04       ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-17 14:04         ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-17 15:22         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-01-17 15:22           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 03/16] x86/entry/32: Leave the kernel via the " Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 22:48   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:48     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17  9:24     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17  9:24       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 13:57       ` Brian Gerst
2018-01-17 13:57         ` Brian Gerst
2018-01-17 14:00         ` Brian Gerst
2018-01-17 14:00           ` Brian Gerst
2018-01-17 14:14           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 14:14             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 14:45             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-17 14:45               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-17 14:10         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 14:10           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 18:12           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17 18:12             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-19  9:57             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19  9:57               ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 04/16] x86/pti: Define X86_CR3_PTI_PCID_USER_BIT on x86_32 Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 22:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17  9:26     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17  9:26       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 05/16] x86/pgtable: Move pgdp kernel/user conversion functions to pgtable.h Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 06/16] x86/mm/ldt: Reserve high address-space range for the LDT Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-16 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-16 17:13     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 17:13       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 17:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-16 17:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-16 17:34         ` Waiman Long
2018-01-16 17:34           ` Waiman Long
2018-01-16 22:51     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17  7:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-17  7:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 07/16] x86/mm: Move two more functions from pgtable_64.h to pgtable.h Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 18:03   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 18:03     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 19:11     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 19:11       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 19:34       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 19:34         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 08/16] x86/pgtable/32: Allocate 8k page-tables when PTI is enabled Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 23:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17 23:43     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-19  9:57     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19  9:57       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 09/16] x86/mm/pti: Clone CPU_ENTRY_AREA on PMD level on x86_32 Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 21:03   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 21:03     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 10/16] x86/mm/pti: Populate valid user pud entries Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 18:06   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 18:06     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 19:41     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 19:41       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 21:06   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 21:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 11/16] x86/mm/pgtable: Move pti_set_user_pgd() to pgtable.h Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 12/16] x86/mm/pae: Populate the user page-table with user pgd's Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 18:11   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 18:11     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 19:44     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 19:44       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 21:10   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 21:10     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 21:15     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 21:15       ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 13/16] x86/mm/pti: Add an overflow check to pti_clone_pmds() Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 14/16] x86/mm/legacy: Populate the user page-table with user pgd's Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17 23:41   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17 23:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 15/16] x86/entry/32: Switch between kernel and user cr3 on entry/exit Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36 ` [PATCH 16/16] x86/pti: Allow CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION for x86_32 Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 16:36   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 18:14 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] PTI support for x86-32 Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 18:14   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 19:46   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 19:46     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 18:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16 18:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-16 19:02   ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 19:02     ` Dave Hansen
2018-01-16 19:21   ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-16 19:21     ` Andrew Cooper
2018-01-16 19:55   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 19:55     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 21:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-16 21:20   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-17  9:55   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17  9:55     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-16 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-16 22:26   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-17  9:33   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-17  9:33     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2018-01-19 11:07   ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19 11:07     ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-19 12:58     ` Pavel Machek
2018-01-21 20:13 ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-21 20:13   ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-21 20:44   ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-21 20:44     ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-21 23:46     ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-21 23:46       ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-22  2:11       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22  2:11         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22  2:20         ` hpa
2018-01-22  2:20           ` hpa
2018-01-22 20:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22 20:14             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-22 21:10             ` H. Peter Anvin
2018-01-22 21:10               ` H. Peter Anvin
2018-01-23 14:38               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-23 14:38                 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-22  2:27         ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-22  2:27           ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-22  8:56       ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-22  8:56         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-23 14:57         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-23 14:57           ` Alan Cox
2018-01-25 17:09         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-25 17:09           ` Alan Cox
2018-01-26 12:36           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-26 12:36             ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-22  9:55       ` David Laight
2018-01-22 10:04         ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-22 10:04           ` Joerg Roedel
2018-01-24 18:58 ` Krzysztof Mazur
2018-01-24 18:58   ` Krzysztof Mazur
2018-01-25 22:09   ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-25 22:09     ` Nadav Amit
2018-01-26  9:28     ` Krzysztof Mazur
2018-01-26  9:28       ` Krzysztof Mazur

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