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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 17:55:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b5642228-c95b-7aca-b454-a07dde3d1866@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a29beedb-750b-b838-6c2a-6e47ade2186a@redhat.com>

Hi guys,

On 22/04/2020 17:40, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> Usually somewhere in the loaded image
>>>> is a copy of the memory map at the time the kexec kernel was loaded.
>>>> That will invalidate the memory map as well.
>>>
>>> Ah, unconditionally. Sure, x86 needs this.
>>> (arm64 re-discovers the memory map from firmware tables after kexec)

> Does this include hotplugged DIMMs e.g., under KVM?

If you advertise hotplugged memory to the guest using ACPI, yes.

We don't have a practical mechanism to pass 'fact's about the platform between kernels,
instead we rely on those facts being discoverable, or described by firmware.


>>>> All of this should be for a very brief window of a few seconds, as
>>>> the loaded kexec image is quite short.
>>>
>>> It seems I'm the outlier anticipating anything could happen between
>>> those syscalls.
>>
>> The design is:
>> 	sys_kexec_load()
>> 	shutdown scripts
>>         sys_reboot(LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_KEXEC);
>>
>> There are two system call simply so that the shutdown scripts can run.
>> Now maybe someone somewhere does something different but that is not
>> expected.

[...]

> Yes, and AFAIK, memory blocks which hold the reserved crashkernel area
> can usually not get offlined and, therefore, the memory cannot get removed.

The crashkernel area on arm64 will always land in un-removable memory. We set PG_Reserved
on it too.


Thanks,

James


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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 17:55:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b5642228-c95b-7aca-b454-a07dde3d1866@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a29beedb-750b-b838-6c2a-6e47ade2186a@redhat.com>

Hi guys,

On 22/04/2020 17:40, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> Usually somewhere in the loaded image
>>>> is a copy of the memory map at the time the kexec kernel was loaded.
>>>> That will invalidate the memory map as well.
>>>
>>> Ah, unconditionally. Sure, x86 needs this.
>>> (arm64 re-discovers the memory map from firmware tables after kexec)

> Does this include hotplugged DIMMs e.g., under KVM?

If you advertise hotplugged memory to the guest using ACPI, yes.

We don't have a practical mechanism to pass 'fact's about the platform between kernels,
instead we rely on those facts being discoverable, or described by firmware.


>>>> All of this should be for a very brief window of a few seconds, as
>>>> the loaded kexec image is quite short.
>>>
>>> It seems I'm the outlier anticipating anything could happen between
>>> those syscalls.
>>
>> The design is:
>> 	sys_kexec_load()
>> 	shutdown scripts
>>         sys_reboot(LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_KEXEC);
>>
>> There are two system call simply so that the shutdown scripts can run.
>> Now maybe someone somewhere does something different but that is not
>> expected.

[...]

> Yes, and AFAIK, memory blocks which hold the reserved crashkernel area
> can usually not get offlined and, therefore, the memory cannot get removed.

The crashkernel area on arm64 will always land in un-removable memory. We set PG_Reserved
on it too.


Thanks,

James

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http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 17:55:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b5642228-c95b-7aca-b454-a07dde3d1866@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a29beedb-750b-b838-6c2a-6e47ade2186a@redhat.com>

Hi guys,

On 22/04/2020 17:40, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> Usually somewhere in the loaded image
>>>> is a copy of the memory map at the time the kexec kernel was loaded.
>>>> That will invalidate the memory map as well.
>>>
>>> Ah, unconditionally. Sure, x86 needs this.
>>> (arm64 re-discovers the memory map from firmware tables after kexec)

> Does this include hotplugged DIMMs e.g., under KVM?

If you advertise hotplugged memory to the guest using ACPI, yes.

We don't have a practical mechanism to pass 'fact's about the platform between kernels,
instead we rely on those facts being discoverable, or described by firmware.


>>>> All of this should be for a very brief window of a few seconds, as
>>>> the loaded kexec image is quite short.
>>>
>>> It seems I'm the outlier anticipating anything could happen between
>>> those syscalls.
>>
>> The design is:
>> 	sys_kexec_load()
>> 	shutdown scripts
>>         sys_reboot(LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_KEXEC);
>>
>> There are two system call simply so that the shutdown scripts can run.
>> Now maybe someone somewhere does something different but that is not
>> expected.

[...]

> Yes, and AFAIK, memory blocks which hold the reserved crashkernel area
> can usually not get offlined and, therefore, the memory cannot get removed.

The crashkernel area on arm64 will always land in un-removable memory. We set PG_Reserved
on it too.


Thanks,

James

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-01 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-26 18:07 [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  0:43   ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  0:43     ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  2:54     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:54       ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:46     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:46       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:34   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:34     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  9:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 16:56     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 16:56       ` James Morse
2020-03-27 17:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 17:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:07         ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:07           ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:52           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:52             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:00             ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:00               ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:13                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17                 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17                   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 18:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 18:14                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-10 19:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-11  3:44                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  9:30                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:58                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-12  5:35                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  8:08                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12 19:52                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 20:37                                 ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-13  2:37                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 23:01                                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-14  6:13                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:40                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  8:00                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:22                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:39                                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:49                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15  2:35                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 13:31                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:02                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:09                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:36                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:47                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:59                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:17                                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:16                                     ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  7:05                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 16:55                         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:41                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:33   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:28     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:25       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 16:40         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-23 16:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-24  7:39             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-01 16:55           ` James Morse [this message]
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:39     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:39       ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17         ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17           ` James Morse
2020-04-02  5:49   ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  6:12     ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-14 17:21       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-15 20:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-05-09  0:45   ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-11  8:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64: memory: Give hotplug memory a different resource name James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 19:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 19:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:11   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:40   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:40     ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:42   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:42     ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:55 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 13:55   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 17:17   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17     ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:46     ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:46       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 17:31       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:38 ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:38   ` Dave Young
2020-04-15 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14   ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 13:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:40       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse

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