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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:12:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c7c7a30e-a122-1bbf-88a2-3349d755c62d@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jLqE6cUxk-Girx6PG7upEzz8jmu1OH_3LVC26iJc2vTxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Kees,

I'm late to the party, and only just caught up with the fuss :-).

On 12/14/2017 12:19 AM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:40 AM, Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>> You selected stupid name for a flag. Everyone and their dog agrees
>>> with that. There's even consensus on better name (and everyone agrees
>>> it is better than .._SAFE). Of course, we could have debate if it is
>>> NOREPLACE or NOREMOVE or ... and that would be bikeshed. This was just
>>> poor naming on your part.
>>
>> Well while everybody agrees that the name is so bad that basically
>> anything else would be better, there does not seem to be consensus on
>> which one to pick. I do understand that this frustrating and fruitless.
> 
> Based on the earlier threads where I tried to end the bikeshedding, it
> seemed like MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE was the least bad option.
> 
>> So what do we do now, roll a dice to choose new name?
>>
>> Or do we ask BFDL[1] to choose the name?
> 
> I'd like to hear feedback from Michael Kerrisk, as he's had to deal
> with these kinds of choices in the past. I'm fine to ask Linus too. I
> just want to get past the name since the feature is quite valuable.
> 
> And if Michal doesn't want to touch this patch any more, I'm happy to
> do the search/replace/resend. :P

Something with the prefix MAP_FIXED_ seems to me obviously desirable,
both to suggest that the function is similar, and also for easy
grepping of the source code to look for instances of both.
MAP_FIXED_SAFE didn't really bother me as a name, but 
MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE (or MAP_FIXED_NOCLOBBER) seem slightly more 
descriptive of what the flag actually does, so a little better.

Cheers,

Michael

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:12:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c7c7a30e-a122-1bbf-88a2-3349d755c62d@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jLqE6cUxk-Girx6PG7upEzz8jmu1OH_3LVC26iJc2vTxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Kees,

I'm late to the party, and only just caught up with the fuss :-).

On 12/14/2017 12:19 AM, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:40 AM, Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>> You selected stupid name for a flag. Everyone and their dog agrees
>>> with that. There's even consensus on better name (and everyone agrees
>>> it is better than .._SAFE). Of course, we could have debate if it is
>>> NOREPLACE or NOREMOVE or ... and that would be bikeshed. This was just
>>> poor naming on your part.
>>
>> Well while everybody agrees that the name is so bad that basically
>> anything else would be better, there does not seem to be consensus on
>> which one to pick. I do understand that this frustrating and fruitless.
> 
> Based on the earlier threads where I tried to end the bikeshedding, it
> seemed like MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE was the least bad option.
> 
>> So what do we do now, roll a dice to choose new name?
>>
>> Or do we ask BFDL[1] to choose the name?
> 
> I'd like to hear feedback from Michael Kerrisk, as he's had to deal
> with these kinds of choices in the past. I'm fine to ask Linus too. I
> just want to get past the name since the feature is quite valuable.
> 
> And if Michal doesn't want to touch this patch any more, I'm happy to
> do the search/replace/resend. :P

Something with the prefix MAP_FIXED_ seems to me obviously desirable,
both to suggest that the function is similar, and also for easy
grepping of the source code to look for instances of both.
MAP_FIXED_SAFE didn't really bother me as a name, but 
MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE (or MAP_FIXED_NOCLOBBER) seem slightly more 
descriptive of what the flag actually does, so a little better.

Cheers,

Michael

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-18 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-13  9:25 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 12:50   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 13:01     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:01       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs, elf: drop MAP_FIXED usage from elf_map Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-16  0:49   ` [2/2] " Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18  9:13     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18  9:13       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 18:12       ` Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18 18:12         ` Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18 18:49       ` [PATCH] mm: don't use the same value for MAP_FIXED_SAFE and MAP_SYNC Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18 18:49         ` Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18 20:41         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 20:41           ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-18 10:51   ` [PATCH 2/2] fs, elf: drop MAP_FIXED usage from elf_map Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18 10:51     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18 11:33     ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-18 11:43       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-18 11:55         ` Michal Hocko
2018-04-18 14:07           ` [PATCH v2] fs, elf: don't complain MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE unless -EEXIST error Tetsuo Handa
2018-04-19  5:57             ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31 ` [PATCH 1/2] mmap.2: document new MAP_FIXED_SAFE flag Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31   ` [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 12:55     ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:03       ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 13:03         ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 13:03         ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 13:04       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:04         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:09         ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:16           ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:16             ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:21             ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:21               ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:35               ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:35                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 14:40               ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 14:40                 ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 14:40                 ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 23:19                 ` Kees Cook
2017-12-13 23:19                   ` Kees Cook
2017-12-14  7:07                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14  7:07                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14  7:07                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 19:12                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2017-12-18 19:12                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2017-12-18 20:19                     ` Kees Cook
2017-12-18 20:19                       ` Kees Cook
2017-12-18 20:33                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18 20:33                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-21 12:38                       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:38                         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:38                         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:38                         ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 14:59                         ` known bad patch in -mm tree was " Pavel Machek
2017-12-21 15:08                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 15:08                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 22:24                         ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-21 22:24                           ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-21 22:24                           ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-22  0:06                           ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-22  0:06                             ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-22  0:06                             ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-14  2:52     ` Jann Horn
2017-12-14  2:52       ` Jann Horn
2017-12-14  5:28       ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14  5:28         ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14  5:28         ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14  5:28         ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14 23:06       ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14 23:06         ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14 23:06         ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14 23:10         ` Jann Horn
2017-12-14 23:10           ` Jann Horn
2017-12-14 23:10           ` Jann Horn
2017-12-13 12:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:25   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:25   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:34   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 12:34     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 17:13 ` Kees Cook
2017-12-13 17:13   ` Kees Cook
2017-12-13 17:13   ` Kees Cook
2017-12-15  9:02   ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-15  9:02     ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-14  0:32 ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14  0:32   ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14  0:32   ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14  0:32   ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14  1:35   ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14  1:42     ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14  1:42       ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14 12:44   ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-14 13:15     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 13:15       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 14:54       ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-14 14:54         ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-19 12:40         ` David Laight
2017-12-19 12:40           ` David Laight
2017-12-19 12:46           ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-19 12:46             ` Michal Hocko

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