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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Sibi Siddharthan <sibisiddharthan.github@gmail.com>,
	Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 18:09:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200427220955.GA1747507@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqlfmg7hn7.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com>

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 02:17:32PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> If we were to adopt it as an experiment, hoping to gain exposure,
> nothing above 'master' (or tagged releases) won't work.  And once a
> thing is in 'master', users will ignore the "this is merely an
> experiment" warning and expect it to be fully functional and usable.

Yeah, that is a problem. I wonder if the state would be more obvious if
it lived in contrib/. We already have contrib/buildsystems,
which seems like an earlier attempt at this exact problem?

> But in the meantime, those who are interested in building Git with
> cmake do not have to wait, doing nothing, I would imagine.  I wonder
> if they can work on a separate project (let's call it git-on-cmake)
> whose sole purpose is to develop and polish CMakeLists.txt, waiting
> for an advanced enough version of cmake becomes commonplace.  Then,
> anybody who are interested and has recent cmake can subtree-merge
> git-on-cmake project into their own clone of our project somewhere,
> and help developing git-on-cmake further.

I think there's actually a good reason to have it in your tree: people
use your tree as the basis to build (and submit!) changes.

I noticed the same thing with trying to play with CI changes. As a
contributor, yes I _can_ make my CI changes, and then base my branches
on that. But it gets rather awkward juggling branches that contain some
changes that should go upstream, and some which should not. And quite a
bit more difficult if people want to use tools like GitGitGadget to just
target a PR against git.git and send it to the mailing list.

If it lived in contrib/ that might strike a good balance between making
it available for people to experiment with, but not having people
confuse it for the official build system.

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-27 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  4:01 [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git on Linux Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:05   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:06     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 22:56       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-25  3:50         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 13:34     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 17:07   ` brian m. carlson
2020-04-25 17:36     ` Randall S. Becker
2020-04-25 18:01       ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 18:11     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:19   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:19     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:23   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:24     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:28   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:26     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:34   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:32     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 23:09       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-25  3:57         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:39   ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-24 20:29     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 11:37       ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 12:09         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:39   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:35     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:45   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:41     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 21:44     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git Junio C Hamano
2020-04-24 19:50   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 21:43     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-25  4:09       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 12:56         ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 13:29           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:12             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 14:28               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:38                 ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 14:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:57                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-26  0:41                       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-26  4:30                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 12:24       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-27 20:08         ` Jeff King
2020-04-27 20:12           ` Jeff King
2020-04-28 13:52             ` Danh Doan
2020-04-28 21:07               ` Jeff King
2020-04-29  8:42                 ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-01 19:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-02 14:31                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-02 14:58                       ` Randall S. Becker
2020-05-02 15:48                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-03 15:33                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-03 17:21                           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-03 19:42                             ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-05-03 19:50                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-04 14:31                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-04 21:59                                 ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-05-05  4:16                                   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-05  6:16                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-05 16:23                                       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-05 18:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-06 18:43                                           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-07 11:48                                             ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-06 21:27                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-07 20:54                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-02 13:21                   ` Danh Doan
2020-05-02 14:50                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-02 15:02                       ` Danh Doan
2020-05-02 15:16                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-27 21:17           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-27 21:56             ` Michal Suchánek
2020-04-27 22:09             ` Jeff King [this message]
2020-04-27 22:23               ` Elijah Newren
2020-04-27 23:16                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-28  5:36                 ` Jeff King
2020-05-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 01/11] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git on Linux Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 20:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:21       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 02/11] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:19     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:07       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 03/11] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 04/11] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 05/11] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 06/11] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-14 15:25     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-14 18:27       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 07/11] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 08/11] cmake: added checks for struct stat and libiconv Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:16     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:05       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-14  2:00         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-14 15:31     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-14 18:31       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 09/11] cmake: relocated script file contrib/buildsystems Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:09     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:08       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 10/11] cmake: parse the makefile for the sources Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 19:57       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-13 20:23         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 11/11] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 19:45       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 19:16         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 20:03           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-25 20:56             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 21:40               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-29 13:40   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 19:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30 18:50         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-31 16:17           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30  8:00             ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-30 13:17       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 19:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30 18:56         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-08 20:07           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-08 22:10             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 13:49       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:04         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-31  1:28           ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 14:08       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:08         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 14:14       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:13         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:00         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 20:04           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:02         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:45           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:03         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:47           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18  4:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-18 19:55               ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18 20:08                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-18 20:40                   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18 21:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-19 17:15                       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-19 17:29                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:04         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:56           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11       ` [PATCH v5 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-30  7:25           ` David Aguilar
2020-07-01 17:45             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-07-01 17:49               ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget

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