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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Sibi Siddharthan <sibisiddharthan.github@gmail.com>,
	Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:17:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqlfmg7hn7.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200427200852.GC1728884@coredump.intra.peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:08:52 -0400")

Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

> I think what I'm suggesting is not all that different from this, except
> that I'd suspect "next" would not get enough exposure. So in my mind
> merging to master is not so much "hooray, we now have visual studio
> support" but rather the first step in getting data. But we'd have to be
> very clear about how the project regards the cmake support: it's there
> for now, you're encouraged to play with it, but don't be upset if it
> needs some coaxing to behave like the normal Makefile or if it goes away
> in the future.

I think you said almost everything I would have said.  

If we were to adopt it as an experiment, hoping to gain exposure,
nothing above 'master' (or tagged releases) won't work.  And once a
thing is in 'master', users will ignore the "this is merely an
experiment" warning and expect it to be fully functional and usable.

Given the observation in the thread that it would take a fairly
recent version to benefit platform-agnostic usability features, I
did not get an impression that it is ready to be anywhere near that,
not even ready for 'next'.  It is *not* like "Sibi's patches were
bad but they can become ready with further polishing".  The
impression I got was that the large part of why it is not ready is
because it needs time for larger set of distros to adopt more recent
versions of cmake.

And I somehow think that rewriting Sibi's patches to lose the parts
that takes advantage of more recent cmake (abstracting "mklink" vs
"ln" out was mentioned as an example---there may be a lot more) is
going in a wrong direction.  The world will eventually catch up, and
Git does not need cmake immediately.  Using the more recent features
while waiting for the right time would be a more sensible approach
than aiming for an outdated version.

So, perhaps we'll try again in 3 years, perhaps, to consider if it
makes sense to add the cmake support to _my_ tree.

But in the meantime, those who are interested in building Git with
cmake do not have to wait, doing nothing, I would imagine.  I wonder
if they can work on a separate project (let's call it git-on-cmake)
whose sole purpose is to develop and polish CMakeLists.txt, waiting
for an advanced enough version of cmake becomes commonplace.  Then,
anybody who are interested and has recent cmake can subtree-merge
git-on-cmake project into their own clone of our project somewhere,
and help developing git-on-cmake further.

Then we'll meet again in 3 years and see if the world got new enough
;-)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-27 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  4:01 [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git on Linux Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:05   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:06     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 22:56       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-25  3:50         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 13:34     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 17:07   ` brian m. carlson
2020-04-25 17:36     ` Randall S. Becker
2020-04-25 18:01       ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 18:11     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:19   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:19     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:23   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:24     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:28   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:26     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:34   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:32     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 23:09       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-25  3:57         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:39   ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-24 20:29     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 11:37       ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 12:09         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:39   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:35     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:45   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:41     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 21:44     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git Junio C Hamano
2020-04-24 19:50   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 21:43     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-25  4:09       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 12:56         ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 13:29           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:12             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 14:28               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:38                 ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 14:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:57                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-26  0:41                       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-26  4:30                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 12:24       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-27 20:08         ` Jeff King
2020-04-27 20:12           ` Jeff King
2020-04-28 13:52             ` Danh Doan
2020-04-28 21:07               ` Jeff King
2020-04-29  8:42                 ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-01 19:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-02 14:31                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-02 14:58                       ` Randall S. Becker
2020-05-02 15:48                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-03 15:33                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-03 17:21                           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-03 19:42                             ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-05-03 19:50                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-04 14:31                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-04 21:59                                 ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-05-05  4:16                                   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-05  6:16                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-05 16:23                                       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-05 18:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-06 18:43                                           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-07 11:48                                             ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-06 21:27                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-07 20:54                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-02 13:21                   ` Danh Doan
2020-05-02 14:50                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-02 15:02                       ` Danh Doan
2020-05-02 15:16                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-27 21:17           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2020-04-27 21:56             ` Michal Suchánek
2020-04-27 22:09             ` Jeff King
2020-04-27 22:23               ` Elijah Newren
2020-04-27 23:16                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-28  5:36                 ` Jeff King
2020-05-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 01/11] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git on Linux Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 20:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:21       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 02/11] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:19     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:07       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 03/11] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 04/11] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 05/11] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 06/11] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-14 15:25     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-14 18:27       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 07/11] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 08/11] cmake: added checks for struct stat and libiconv Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:16     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:05       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-14  2:00         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-14 15:31     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-14 18:31       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 09/11] cmake: relocated script file contrib/buildsystems Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:09     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:08       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 10/11] cmake: parse the makefile for the sources Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 19:57       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-13 20:23         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 11/11] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 19:45       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 19:16         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 20:03           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-25 20:56             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 21:40               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-29 13:40   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 19:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30 18:50         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-31 16:17           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30  8:00             ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-30 13:17       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 19:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30 18:56         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-08 20:07           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-08 22:10             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 13:49       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:04         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-31  1:28           ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 14:08       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:08         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 14:14       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:13         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:00         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 20:04           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:02         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:45           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:03         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:47           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18  4:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-18 19:55               ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18 20:08                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-18 20:40                   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18 21:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-19 17:15                       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-19 17:29                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:04         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:56           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11       ` [PATCH v5 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-30  7:25           ` David Aguilar
2020-07-01 17:45             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-07-01 17:49               ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget

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