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From: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
To: linux-audit@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] audit: optionally print warning after waiting to enqueue record
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:39:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1648649.cZYg8c8PMo@x2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200617225416.GA2688@linux-kernel-dev>

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:54:16 PM EDT Max Englander wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:47:19PM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:58 AM Max Englander <max.englander@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > > In environments where security is prioritized, users may set
> > > --backlog_wait_time to a high value in order to reduce the likelihood
> > > that any audit event is lost, even though doing so may result in
> > > unpredictable performance if the kernel schedules a timeout when the
> > > backlog limit is exceeded. For these users, the next best thing to
> > > predictable performance is the ability to quickly detect and react to
> > > degraded performance. This patch proposes to aid the detection of
> > > kernel
> > > audit subsystem pauses through the following changes:
> > > 
> > > Add a variable named audit_backlog_warn_time. Enforce the value of this
> > > variable to be no less than zero, and no more than the value of
> > > audit_backlog_wait_time.
> > > 
> > > If audit_backlog_warn_time is greater than zero and if the total time
> > > spent waiting to enqueue an audit record is greater than or equal to
> > > audit_backlog_warn_time, then print a warning with the total time
> > > spent waiting.
> > > 
> > > An example configuration:
> > >         auditctl --backlog_warn_time 50
> > > 
> > > An example warning message:
> > >         audit: sleep_time=52 >= audit_backlog_warn_time=50
> > > 
> > > Tested on Ubuntu 18.04.04 using complementary changes to the audit
> > > userspace: https://github.com/linux-audit/audit-userspace/pull/131.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Max Englander <max.englander@gmail.com>
> > > ---
> > > 
> > >  include/uapi/linux/audit.h |  7 ++++++-
> > >  kernel/audit.c             | 35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >  2 files changed, 41 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > If an admin is prioritizing security, aka don't loose any audit
> > records, and there is a concern over variable system latency due to an
> > audit queue backlog, why not simply disable the backlog limit?
> 
> That’s good in some cases, but in other cases unbounded growth of the
> backlog could result in memory issues. If the kernel runs out of memory
> it would drop the audit event or possibly have other problems. It could
> also also consume memory in a way that starves user workloads or causes
> them to be killed by the OOMKiller.

The kernel cannot grow the backlog unbounded. If you do nothing, the backlog 
is 64 - which is too small to really use. Otherwise, you set the backlog to a 
finite number with the -b option.

> To refine my motivating use case a bit, if a Kubernetes admin wants to
> prioritize security, and also avoid unbounded growth of the audit
> backlog, they may set -b and --backlog_wait_time in a way that limits
> kernel memory usage and reduces the likelihood that any audit event is
> lost. Occasional performance degradation may be acceptable to the admin,
> but they would like a way to be alerted to prolonged kernel pauses, so
> that they can investigate and take corrective action (increase backlog,
> increase server capacity, move some workloads to other servers, etc.).
> 
> To state another way. The kernel currently can be configured to print a
> message when the backlog limit is exceeded and it must discard the audit
> event. This is a useful message for admins, which they can address with
> corrective action. I think a message similar to the one proposed by this
> patch would be equally useful when the backlog limit is exceeded and the
> kernel is configured to wait for the backlog to drain. Admins could
> address that message in the same way, but without the cost of lost audit
> events.

If backlog wait time is exceeded, that could be a useful warning if that does 
not exist. I don't know how often that could happen...and of course without a 
warning we don't know if it happens or why it happens.

I also wished we had metrics on the backlog such as max used. That might help 
admins tune the size of the backlog.

-Steve



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-18 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-16  4:58 [PATCH] audit: optionally print warning after waiting to enqueue record Max Englander
2020-06-17 18:47 ` Paul Moore
2020-06-17 22:54   ` Max Englander
2020-06-18  1:06     ` Paul Moore
2020-06-18 23:48       ` Max Englander
2020-06-19  0:30         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-24  0:15           ` Paul Moore
2020-06-25  3:34             ` Max Englander
2020-06-18 13:39     ` Steve Grubb [this message]
2020-06-18 13:46       ` Paul Moore
2020-06-18 14:36         ` Steve Grubb
2020-06-18 16:29           ` Paul Moore
2020-06-18 22:57       ` Max Englander

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