linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Alastair D'Silva" <alastair@d-silva.org>
To: "'Petr Mladek'" <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: "'Jani Nikula'" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	"'Joonas Lahtinen'" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"'Rodrigo Vivi'" <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	"'David Airlie'" <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"'Daniel Vetter'" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"'Karsten Keil'" <isdn@linux-pingi.de>,
	"'Jassi Brar'" <jassisinghbrar@gmail.com>,
	"'Tom Lendacky'" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"'David S. Miller'" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"'Jose Abreu'" <Jose.Abreu@synopsys.com>,
	"'Kalle Valo'" <kvalo@codeaurora.org>,
	"'Stanislaw Gruszka'" <sgruszka@redhat.com>,
	"'Benson Leung'" <bleung@chromium.org>,
	"'Enric Balletbo i Serra'" <enric.balletbo@collabora.com>,
	"'James E.J. Bottomley'" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	"'Martin K. Petersen'" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	"'Greg Kroah-Hartman'" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"'Alexander Viro'" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"'Sergey Senozhatsky'" <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	"'Steven Rostedt'" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"'Andrew Morton'" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	<intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>, <devel@driverdev.osuosl.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/4] lib/hexdump.c: Allow 64 bytes per line
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:29:08 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0dad01d4f376$113df2b0$33b9d810$@d-silva.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190415090232.3ualhrt5ssrb2ixq@pathway.suse.cz>

<snip>
> > > On Wed 2019-04-10 13:17:17, Alastair D'Silva wrote:
> > > > From: Alastair D'Silva <alastair@d-silva.org>
> > > >
> > > > With modern high resolution screens, we can display more data,
> > > > which makes life a bit easier when debugging.
> > >
> > > I have quite some doubts about this feature.
> > >
> > > We are talking about more than 256 characters per-line. I wonder if
> > > such a long line is really easier to read for a human.
> >
> > It's basically 2 separate panes of information side by side, the
> > hexdump and the ASCII version.
> >
> > I'm using this myself when dealing with the pmem labels, and it works
> > quite nicely.
> 
> I am sure that it works for you. But I do not believe that it would be
useful in
> general.

I do, and I believe the choice of the output length should be in the hands
of the caller.

On further thought, it would make more sense to remove the hardcoded list of
sizes and just enforce a power of 2. The function shouldn't dictate what the
caller can and can't do beyond the technical limits of it's implementation.

Other print/debug functions don't restrict the output size, and I can't see
a good justification why hexdump should either.

> > > I am not expert but there is a reason why the standard is 80
> > > characters
> > per-
> > > line. I guess that anything above 100 characters is questionable.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_length
> > > somehow confirms that.
> > >
> > > Second, if we take 8 pixels per-character. Then we need
> > > 2048 to show the 256 characters. It is more than HD.
> > > IMHO, there is still huge number of people that even do not have HD
> > display,
> > > especially on a notebook.
> >
> > The intent is to make debugging easier when dealing with large chunks
> > of binary data. I don't expect end users to see this output.
> 
> How is it supposed to be used then? Only by your temporary patches?

Let me rephrase that, I don't expect end users to *use* this data.

Current usage of the hexdump functions are predominantly centred around
logging and debugging, and clearly targeted at someone intimately familiar
with the relevant subsystem. I expect future use would be similar.

Debugging may be as part of active development, or from a log supplied from
an end user. In either case, it should be up to the author (as a
representative for the consumers of the data) to decide how it should be
formatted.

-- 
Alastair D'Silva           mob: 0423 762 819
skype: alastair_dsilva     msn: alastair@d-silva.org
blog: http://alastair.d-silva.org    Twitter: @EvilDeece






  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-15 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-10  3:17 [PATCH 0/4] Hexdump enhancements Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  3:17 ` [PATCH 1/4] lib/hexdump.c: Allow 64 bytes per line Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-12 13:48   ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-12 23:22     ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-15  9:02       ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-15 10:29         ` Alastair D'Silva [this message]
2019-04-15 10:56           ` David Laight
2019-04-15 10:59             ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  3:17 ` [PATCH 2/4] lib/hexdump.c: Optionally suppress lines of filler bytes Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  3:32   ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-12 14:03   ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-12 23:28     ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-15  9:18       ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-15 10:33         ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  3:17 ` [PATCH 3/4] lib/hexdump.c: Replace ascii bool in hex_dump_to_buffer with flags Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  6:56   ` Dan Carpenter
2019-04-12 14:12   ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-12 23:31     ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-15  9:24       ` Petr Mladek
2019-04-15 10:07         ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-15 10:20           ` David Laight
2019-04-15 10:44             ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-15 11:03               ` David Laight
2019-04-15 11:12                 ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-12 14:47   ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2019-04-10  3:17 ` [PATCH 4/4] lib/hexdump.c: Allow multiple groups to be separated by lines '|' Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  8:45   ` David Laight
2019-04-10  9:52     ` Alastair D'Silva
2019-04-10  8:53   ` Sergey Senozhatsky

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='0dad01d4f376$113df2b0$33b9d810$@d-silva.org' \
    --to=alastair@d-silva.org \
    --cc=Jose.Abreu@synopsys.com \
    --cc=airlied@linux.ie \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=ath10k@lists.infradead.org \
    --cc=bleung@chromium.org \
    --cc=daniel@ffwll.ch \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=devel@driverdev.osuosl.org \
    --cc=dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org \
    --cc=enric.balletbo@collabora.com \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org \
    --cc=isdn@linux-pingi.de \
    --cc=jani.nikula@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=jassisinghbrar@gmail.com \
    --cc=jejb@linux.ibm.com \
    --cc=joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=kvalo@codeaurora.org \
    --cc=linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=martin.petersen@oracle.com \
    --cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=pmladek@suse.com \
    --cc=rodrigo.vivi@intel.com \
    --cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
    --cc=sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com \
    --cc=sgruszka@redhat.com \
    --cc=thomas.lendacky@amd.com \
    --cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).