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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com>,
	brauner@kernel.org, chuck.lever@oracle.com, jlayton@kernel.org,
	neilb@suse.de, kolga@netapp.com, Dai.Ngo@oracle.com,
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	Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 13/25] security: Introduce file_release hook
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 10:18:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5060b314-dc45-48c4-8c21-157219e4b6ee@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240116173317.GL1674809@ZenIV>

On 1/16/2024 9:33 AM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 08:51:11AM -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>> On 1/16/2024 12:47 AM, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2024-01-15 at 19:15 +0000, Al Viro wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 07:17:57PM +0100, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>>>> From: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> In preparation for moving IMA and EVM to the LSM infrastructure, introduce
>>>>> the file_release hook.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMA calculates at file close the new digest of the file content and writes
>>>>> it to security.ima, so that appraisal at next file access succeeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> An LSM could implement an exclusive access scheme for files, only allowing
>>>>> access to files that have no references.
>>>> Elaborate that last part, please.
>>> Apologies, I didn't understand that either. Casey?
>> Just a hypothetical notion that if an LSM wanted to implement an
>> exclusive access scheme it might find the proposed hook helpful.
>> I don't have any plan to create such a scheme, nor do I think that
>> a file_release hook would be the only thing you'd need.
> Exclusive access to what?  "No more than one opened file with this
> inode at a time"?  It won't serialize IO operations, obviously...
> Details, please.

Once a file is opened it can't be opened again until it is closed.
That's the simple description, which ignores all sorts of cases.
I wouldn't want my system to behave that way, but I have heard
arguments that multiple concurrent opens can be a security issue.
In the context of my review of the code in question I included
the comment solely for the purpose of acknowledging the potential
for additional uses of the proposed hook. It's entirely possible
someone (not me!) would use the hook in this or some other "clever"
way.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-16 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-15 18:17 [PATCH v9 00/25] security: Move IMA and EVM to the LSM infrastructure Roberto Sassu
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 01/25] ima: Align ima_inode_post_setattr() definition with " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 1/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 02/25] ima: Align ima_file_mprotect() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 2/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 03/25] ima: Align ima_inode_setxattr() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 3/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 04/25] ima: Align ima_inode_removexattr() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 4/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 05/25] ima: Align ima_post_read_file() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 5/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 06/25] evm: Align evm_inode_post_setattr() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 6/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 07/25] evm: Align evm_inode_setxattr() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 7/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 08/25] evm: Align evm_inode_post_setxattr() " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 8/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 09/25] security: Align inode_setattr hook definition with EVM Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` [PATCH v9 9/25] " Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 10/25] security: Introduce inode_post_setattr hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09 10:17   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 11/25] security: Introduce inode_post_removexattr hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09 10:17   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 12/25] security: Introduce file_post_open hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:56   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-09  9:59     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-09 10:12   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-09 10:46     ` Roberto Sassu
2024-02-09 11:34       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-09 12:02         ` Roberto Sassu
2024-02-12 21:00   ` Mimi Zohar
2024-02-12 21:16     ` Paul Moore
2024-02-13 12:58       ` Roberto Sassu
2024-02-13 15:33         ` Paul Moore
2024-02-14 20:07           ` Mimi Zohar
2024-02-14 21:21             ` Paul Moore
2024-02-15  8:16               ` Mimi Zohar
2024-02-15 15:02                 ` Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 13/25] security: Introduce file_release hook Roberto Sassu
2024-01-15 19:15   ` Al Viro
2024-01-16  8:47     ` Roberto Sassu
2024-01-16 16:51       ` Casey Schaufler
2024-01-16 17:33         ` Al Viro
2024-01-16 18:18           ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09 10:15   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-12 17:21   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 14/25] security: Introduce path_post_mknod hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:54   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-12 17:23   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:17 ` [PATCH v9 15/25] security: Introduce inode_post_create_tmpfile hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:53   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-12 17:26   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 16/25] security: Introduce inode_post_set_acl hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:51   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 17/25] security: Introduce inode_post_remove_acl hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:52   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 18/25] security: Introduce key_post_create_or_update hook Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 19/25] integrity: Move integrity_kernel_module_request() to IMA Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-12 17:37   ` Stefan Berger
2024-02-12 17:56     ` Paul Moore
2024-02-12 20:28       ` Stefan Berger
2024-02-13  8:57         ` Roberto Sassu
2024-02-13 16:31           ` Stefan Berger
2024-02-15  9:29             ` Roberto Sassu
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 20/25] ima: Move to LSM infrastructure Roberto Sassu
2024-01-16 18:57   ` Casey Schaufler
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:50   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-12 17:45   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 21/25] ima: Move IMA-Appraisal " Roberto Sassu
2024-01-16 19:03   ` Casey Schaufler
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:45   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 22/25] evm: Move " Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-09  9:48   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-12 18:26   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 23/25] evm: Make it independent from 'integrity' LSM Roberto Sassu
2024-01-16 19:39   ` Casey Schaufler
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-12 19:13   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 24/25] ima: " Roberto Sassu
2024-01-16 19:40   ` Casey Schaufler
2024-02-12 19:47   ` Stefan Berger
2024-01-15 18:18 ` [PATCH v9 25/25] integrity: Remove LSM Roberto Sassu
2024-01-16 19:41   ` Casey Schaufler
2024-02-08  3:18   ` Paul Moore
2024-02-12 19:50   ` Stefan Berger
2024-02-08  3:18 ` [PATCH v9 0/25] security: Move IMA and EVM to the LSM infrastructure Paul Moore
2024-02-08  8:05   ` Roberto Sassu
2024-02-08 14:16     ` Paul Moore

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