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From: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 05/15] mm: introduce execmem_alloc() and execmem_free()
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:32:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPhsuW6Pbg2k_Gu4dsBx+H8H5XCHvNdtEZJBPiG_eT0qqr9D1w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zh4nJp8rv1qRBs8m@kernel.org>

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 12:23 AM Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 06:36:39PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 09:52:41AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 07:00:41PM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > > +/**
> > > > + * enum execmem_type - types of executable memory ranges
> > > > + *
> > > > + * There are several subsystems that allocate executable memory.
> > > > + * Architectures define different restrictions on placement,
> > > > + * permissions, alignment and other parameters for memory that can be used
> > > > + * by these subsystems.
> > > > + * Types in this enum identify subsystems that allocate executable memory
> > > > + * and let architectures define parameters for ranges suitable for
> > > > + * allocations by each subsystem.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * @EXECMEM_DEFAULT: default parameters that would be used for types that
> > > > + * are not explcitly defined.
> > > > + * @EXECMEM_MODULE_TEXT: parameters for module text sections
> > > > + * @EXECMEM_KPROBES: parameters for kprobes
> > > > + * @EXECMEM_FTRACE: parameters for ftrace
> > > > + * @EXECMEM_BPF: parameters for BPF
> > > > + * @EXECMEM_TYPE_MAX:
> > > > + */
> > > > +enum execmem_type {
> > > > + EXECMEM_DEFAULT,
> > > > + EXECMEM_MODULE_TEXT = EXECMEM_DEFAULT,
> > > > + EXECMEM_KPROBES,
> > > > + EXECMEM_FTRACE,
> > > > + EXECMEM_BPF,
> > > > + EXECMEM_TYPE_MAX,
> > > > +};
> > >
> > > Can we please get a break-down of how all these types are actually
> > > different from one another?
> > >
> > > I'm thinking some platforms have a tiny immediate space (arm64 comes to
> > > mind) and has less strict placement constraints for some of them?
> >
> > Yeah, and really I'd *much* rather deal with that in arch code, as I have said
> > several times.
> >
> > For arm64 we have two bsaic restrictions:
> >
> > 1) Direct branches can go +/-128M
> >    We can expand this range by having direct branches go to PLTs, at a
> >    performance cost.
> >
> > 2) PREL32 relocations can go +/-2G
> >    We cannot expand this further.
> >
> > * We don't need to allocate memory for ftrace. We do not use trampolines.
> >
> > * Kprobes XOL areas don't care about either of those; we don't place any
> >   PC-relative instructions in those. Maybe we want to in future.
> >
> > * Modules care about both; we'd *prefer* to place them within +/-128M of all
> >   other kernel/module code, but if there's no space we can use PLTs and expand
> >   that to +/-2G. Since modules can refreence other modules, that ends up
> >   actually being halved, and modules have to fit within some 2G window that
> >   also covers the kernel.

Is +/- 2G enough for all realistic use cases? If so, I guess we don't
really need
EXECMEM_ANYWHERE below?

> >
> > * I'm not sure about BPF's requirements; it seems happy doing the same as
> >   modules.
>
> BPF are happy with vmalloc().
>
> > So if we *must* use a common execmem allocator, what we'd reall want is our own
> > types, e.g.
> >
> >       EXECMEM_ANYWHERE
> >       EXECMEM_NOPLT
> >       EXECMEM_PREL32
> >
> > ... and then we use those in arch code to implement module_alloc() and friends.
>
> I'm looking at execmem_types more as definition of the consumers, maybe I
> should have named the enum execmem_consumer at the first place.

I think looking at execmem_type from consumers' point of view adds
unnecessary complexity. IIUC, for most (if not all) archs, ftrace, kprobe,
and bpf (and maybe also module text) all have the same requirements.
Did I miss something?

IOW, we have

enum execmem_type {
        EXECMEM_DEFAULT,
        EXECMEM_TEXT,
        EXECMEM_KPROBES = EXECMEM_TEXT,
        EXECMEM_FTRACE = EXECMEM_TEXT,
        EXECMEM_BPF = EXECMEM_TEXT,      /* we may end up without
_KPROBE, _FTRACE, _BPF */
        EXECMEM_DATA,  /* rw */
        EXECMEM_RO_DATA,
        EXECMEM_RO_AFTER_INIT,
        EXECMEM_TYPE_MAX,
};

Does this make sense?

Thanks,
Song

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-17 23:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-11 16:00 [PATCH v4 00/15] mm: jit/text allocator Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] arm64: module: remove uneeded call to kasan_alloc_module_shadow() Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] mips: module: rename MODULE_START to MODULES_VADDR Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] nios2: define virtual address space for modules Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] module: make module_memory_{alloc,free} more self-contained Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] mm: introduce execmem_alloc() and execmem_free() Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 19:42   ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-04-14  6:53     ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-12  9:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-14  6:54     ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-15  7:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-04-15 16:51     ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-15 17:36     ` Mark Rutland
2024-04-16  7:22       ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-17 23:32         ` Song Liu [this message]
2024-04-18 15:35           ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-18 16:13             ` Song Liu
2024-04-18 17:52               ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-18 21:01                 ` Song Liu
2024-04-19  6:55                   ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-19 15:54                     ` Song Liu
2024-04-19 17:02                       ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-19 17:32                         ` Song Liu
2024-04-19 19:59                           ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-19 21:42                             ` Song Liu
2024-04-20  4:22                               ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-20  9:11                                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-22 18:32                                   ` Song Liu
2024-04-17 21:06   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] mm/execmem, arch: convert simple overrides of module_alloc to execmem Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 20:53   ` Sam Ravnborg
2024-04-14  7:26     ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-15  8:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] mm/execmem, arch: convert remaining " Mike Rapoport
2024-04-15  9:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] arm64: extend execmem_info for generated code allocations Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] riscv: extend execmem_params " Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] powerpc: extend execmem_params for kprobes allocations Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] arch: make execmem setup available regardless of CONFIG_MODULES Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] x86/ftrace: enable dynamic ftrace without CONFIG_MODULES Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] powerpc: use CONFIG_EXECMEM instead of CONFIG_MODULES where appropiate Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] kprobes: remove dependency on CONFIG_MODULES Mike Rapoport
2024-04-17 21:16   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-18 15:37     ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-19 15:49     ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-19 15:59       ` Christophe Leroy
2024-04-20  7:33         ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-20  9:15           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-04-20 10:52             ` Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 16:00 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] bpf: remove CONFIG_BPF_JIT dependency on CONFIG_MODULES of Mike Rapoport
2024-04-11 18:00 ` [PATCH v4 00/15] mm: jit/text allocator Kent Overstreet
2024-04-11 19:45 ` Luis Chamberlain

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