From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
Yang Shi <yang.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
David Nellans <dnellans@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 09:42:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200904074207.GC15277@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200903162527.GF60440@carbon.dhcp.thefacebook.com>
On Thu 03-09-20 09:25:27, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 03, 2020 at 09:32:54AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 02-09-20 14:06:12, Zi Yan wrote:
> > > From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > This patchset adds support for 1GB THP on x86_64. It is on top of
> > > v5.9-rc2-mmots-2020-08-25-21-13.
> > >
> > > 1GB THP is more flexible for reducing translation overhead and increasing the
> > > performance of applications with large memory footprint without application
> > > changes compared to hugetlb.
> >
> > Please be more specific about usecases. This better have some strong
> > ones because THP code is complex enough already to add on top solely
> > based on a generic TLB pressure easing.
>
> Hello, Michal!
>
> We at Facebook are using 1 GB hugetlbfs pages and are getting noticeable
> performance wins on some workloads.
Let me clarify. I am not questioning 1GB (or large) pages in general. I
believe it is quite clear that there are usecases which hugely benefit
from them. I am mostly asking for the transparent part of it which
traditionally means that userspace mostly doesn't have to care and get
them. 2MB THPs have established certain expectations mostly a really
aggressive pro-active instanciation. This has bitten us many times and
create a "you need to disable THP to fix your problem whatever that is"
cargo cult. I hope we do not want to repeat that mistake here again.
> Historically we allocated gigantic pages at the boot time, but recently moved
> to cma-based dynamic approach. Still, hugetlbfs interface requires more management
> than we would like to do. 1 GB THP seems to be a better alternative. So I definitely
> see it as a very useful feature.
>
> Given the cost of an allocation, I'm slightly skeptical about an automatic
> heuristics-based approach, but if an application can explicitly mark target areas
> with madvise(), I don't see why it wouldn't work.
An explicit opt-in sounds much more appropriate to me as well. If we go
with a specific API then I would not make it 1GB pages specific. Why
cannot we have an explicit interface to "defragment" address space
range into large pages and the kernel would use large pages where
appropriate? Or is the additional copying prohibitively expensive?
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-04 7:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-02 18:06 [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64 Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] mm: add pagechain container for storing multiple pages Zi Yan
2020-09-02 20:29 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-09-02 20:48 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-03 3:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-07 12:22 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-07 15:11 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:46 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:15 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] mm: thp: 1GB anonymous page implementation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] mm: proc: add 1GB THP kpageflag Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:46 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP copy on write implementation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] mm: thp: handling 1GB THP reference bit Zi Yan
2020-09-09 14:09 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:36 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] mm: thp: add 1GB THP split_huge_pud_page() function Zi Yan
2020-09-09 14:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:19 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] mm: stats: make smap stats understand PUD THPs Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] mm: page_vma_walk: teach it about PMD-mapped PUD THP Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP support in try_to_unmap() Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] mm: thp: split 1GB THPs at page reclaim Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP follow_p*d_page() support Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] mm: support 1GB THP pagemap support Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] mm: thp: add a knob to enable/disable 1GB THPs Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] mm: page_alloc: >=MAX_ORDER pages allocation an deallocation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] hugetlb: cma: move cma reserve function to cma.c Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] mm: thp: use cma reservation for pud thp allocation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64 Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 18:45 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 19:05 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 19:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 20:29 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-03 16:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 16:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-03 17:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 7:32 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-03 16:25 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-03 16:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 17:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-03 17:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 20:57 ` Mike Kravetz
2020-09-03 21:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-04 7:42 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2020-09-04 21:10 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-07 7:20 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-08 15:09 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 19:58 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-09 4:01 ` John Hubbard
2020-09-09 7:15 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-03 14:23 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-03 16:30 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-08 11:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-08 14:05 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 14:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-08 15:36 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 14:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-08 15:50 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 12:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-09 12:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 13:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-09 13:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 10:02 ` William Kucharski
2020-09-08 14:35 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-08 14:41 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-08 15:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-09 7:04 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-09 13:19 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-09 13:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-09 13:49 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-09 13:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 7:32 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-10 8:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 14:21 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-10 14:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 14:41 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-10 15:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-10 14:30 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:59 ` Michal Hocko
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