From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
"Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
Yang Shi <yang.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
David Nellans <dnellans@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 13:32:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200909123244.GD6583@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200909121117.GD87483@ziepe.ca>
On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 09:11:17AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 08, 2020 at 03:27:58PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > I could also see there being an app which benefits from 1GB for
> > one mapping and prefers 2GB for a different mapping, so I think the
> > per-mapping madvise flag is best.
>
> I wonder if apps really care about the specific page size?
> Particularly from a portability view?
No, they don't. They just want to run as fast as possible ;-)
> The general app desire seems to be the need for 'efficient' memory (eg
> because it is highly accessed) and I suspect comes with a desire to
> populate the pages too.
The problem with a MAP_GOES_FASTER flag is that everybody sets it.
Any flag name needs to convey its drawbacks as well as its advantages.
Maybe MAP_EXTREMELY_COARSE_WORKINGSET would do that -- the VM will work
in terms of 1GB pages for this mapping, so any swap-out is going to take
out an entire 1GB at once.
But here's the thing ... we already allow
mmap(MAP_POPULATE | MAP_HUGETLB | MAP_HUGE_1GB)
So if we're not doing THP, what's the point of this thread?
My understanding of THP is "Application doesn't need to change, kernel
makes a decision about what page size is best based on entire system
state and process's behaviour".
An madvise flag is a different beast; that's just letting the kernel
know what the app thinks its behaviour will be. The kernel can pay
as much (or as little) attention to that hint as it sees fit. And of
course, it can change over time (either by kernel release as we change
the algorithms, or simple from one minute to the next as more or less
memory comes available).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-09 12:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-02 18:06 [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64 Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] mm: add pagechain container for storing multiple pages Zi Yan
2020-09-02 20:29 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-09-02 20:48 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-03 3:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-07 12:22 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-07 15:11 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:46 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:15 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] mm: thp: 1GB anonymous page implementation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] mm: proc: add 1GB THP kpageflag Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:46 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP copy on write implementation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] mm: thp: handling 1GB THP reference bit Zi Yan
2020-09-09 14:09 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:36 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] mm: thp: add 1GB THP split_huge_pud_page() function Zi Yan
2020-09-09 14:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:19 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] mm: stats: make smap stats understand PUD THPs Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] mm: page_vma_walk: teach it about PMD-mapped PUD THP Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP support in try_to_unmap() Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] mm: thp: split 1GB THPs at page reclaim Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP follow_p*d_page() support Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] mm: support 1GB THP pagemap support Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] mm: thp: add a knob to enable/disable 1GB THPs Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] mm: page_alloc: >=MAX_ORDER pages allocation an deallocation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] hugetlb: cma: move cma reserve function to cma.c Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] mm: thp: use cma reservation for pud thp allocation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64 Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 18:45 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 19:05 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 19:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 20:29 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-03 16:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 16:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-03 17:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 7:32 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-03 16:25 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-03 16:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 17:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-03 17:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 20:57 ` Mike Kravetz
2020-09-03 21:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-04 7:42 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-04 21:10 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-07 7:20 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-08 15:09 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 19:58 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-09 4:01 ` John Hubbard
2020-09-09 7:15 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-03 14:23 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-03 16:30 ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-08 11:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-08 14:05 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 14:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-08 15:36 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 14:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-08 15:50 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 12:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-09 12:32 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2020-09-09 13:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-09 13:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 10:02 ` William Kucharski
2020-09-08 14:35 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-08 14:41 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-08 15:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-09 7:04 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-09 13:19 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-09 13:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-09 13:49 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-09 13:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 7:32 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-10 8:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 14:21 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-10 14:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 14:41 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-10 15:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-10 14:30 ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:59 ` Michal Hocko
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