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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
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Subject: Re: [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 14:14:24 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240327171424.GI8419@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240324232215.GC20765@lst.de>

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 12:22:15AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 03:43:30PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > If we are going to make caller provided uniformity a requirement, lets
> > imagine a formal memory type idea to help keep this a little
> > abstracted?
> > 
> >  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_NORMAL
> >  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_P2P_NOT_ACS
> >  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_ENCRYPTED
> >  DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_BOUNCE_BUFFER  // ??
> > 
> > Then maybe the driver flow looks like:
> > 
> > 	if (transaction.memory_type == DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_NORMAL && dma_api_has_iommu(dev)) {
> 
> Add a nice helper to make this somewhat readable, but yes.
> 
> > 	} else if (transaction.memory_type == DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_P2P_NOT_ACS) {
> > 		num_hwsgls = transcation.num_sgls;
> > 		for_each_range(transaction, range) {
> > 			hwsgl[i].addr = dma_api_p2p_not_acs_map(range.start_physical, range.length, p2p_memory_provider);
> > 			hwsgl[i].len = range.size;
> > 		}
> > 	} else {
> > 		/* Must be DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_NORMAL, DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_ENCRYPTED, DMA_MEMORY_TYPE_BOUNCE_BUFFER? */
> > 		num_hwsgls = transcation.num_sgls;
> > 		for_each_range(transaction, range) {
> > 			hwsgl[i].addr = dma_api_map_cpu_page(range.start_page, range.length);
> > 			hwsgl[i].len = range.size;
> > 		}
> >
> 
> And these two are really the same except that we call a different map
> helper underneath.  So I think as far as the driver is concerned
> they should be the same, the DMA API just needs to key off the
> memory tap.

Yeah.. If the caller is going to have compute the memory type of the
range then lets pass it to the helper

dma_api_map_memory_type(transaction.memory_type, range.start_page, range.length);

Then we can just hide all the differences under the API without doing
duplicated work.

Function names need some work ...

> > > > So I take it as a requirement that RDMA MUST make single MR's out of a
> > > > hodgepodge of page types. RDMA MRs cannot be split. Multiple MR's are
> > > > not a functional replacement for a single MR.
> > > 
> > > But MRs consolidate multiple dma addresses anyway.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understand this?
> 
> The RDMA MRs take a a list of PFNish address, (or SGLs with the
> enhanced MRs from Mellanox) and give you back a single rkey/lkey.

Yes, that is the desire.
 
> > To go back to my main thesis - I would like a high performance low
> > level DMA API that is capable enough that it could implement
> > scatterlist dma_map_sg() and thus also implement any future
> > scatterlist_v2, bio, hmm_range_fault or any other thing we come up
> > with on top of it. This is broadly what I thought we agreed to at LSF
> > last year.
> 
> I think the biggest underlying problem of the scatterlist based
> DMA implementation for IOMMUs is that it's trying to handle to much,
> that is magic coalescing even if the segments boundaries don't align
> with the IOMMU page size.  If we can get rid of that misfeature I
> think we'd greatly simply the API and implementation.

Yeah, that stuff is not easy at all and takes extra computation to
figure out. I always assumed it was there for block...

Leon & Chaitanya will make a RFC v2 along these lines, lets see how it
goes.

Thanks,
Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-27 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-05 11:18 [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 01/16] mm/hmm: let users to tag specific PFNs Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 02/16] dma-mapping: provide an interface to allocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 03/16] dma-mapping: provide callbacks to link/unlink pages to specific IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 04/16] iommu/dma: Provide an interface to allow preallocate IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 05/16] iommu/dma: Prepare map/unmap page functions to receive IOVA Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 06/16] iommu/dma: Implement link/unlink page callbacks Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 07/16] RDMA/umem: Preallocate and cache IOVA for UMEM ODP Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 08/16] RDMA/umem: Store ODP access mask information in PFN Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 09/16] RDMA/core: Separate DMA mapping to caching IOVA and page linkage Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 10/16] RDMA/umem: Prevent UMEM ODP creation with SWIOTLB Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 11/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly use number of pages instead of allocated length Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 12/16] vfio/mlx5: Rewrite create mkey flow to allow better code reuse Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 13/16] vfio/mlx5: Explicitly store page list Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 14/16] vfio/mlx5: Convert vfio to use DMA link API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 15/16] block: add dma_link_range() based API Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 11:18 ` [RFC RESEND 16/16] nvme-pci: use blk_rq_dma_map() for NVMe SGL Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-05 15:51   ` Keith Busch
2024-03-05 16:08     ` Jens Axboe
2024-03-05 16:39       ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-05 16:46         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2024-03-06 14:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-03 14:41   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-05 13:23     ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-05-06  7:25       ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-03-05 12:05 ` [RFC RESEND 00/16] Split IOMMU DMA mapping operation to two steps Robin Murphy
2024-03-05 12:29   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-06 14:44     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 15:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 16:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-06 17:44           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-06 22:14             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07  0:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-07 15:05                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-07 21:01                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-08 16:49                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-08 20:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-09 16:14                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-10  9:35                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-12 21:28                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-13  7:46                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-13 21:44                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-19 15:36                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-20  8:55                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-21 22:40                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 17:46                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-03-24 23:16                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-21 22:39                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-22 18:43                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-03-24 23:22                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-03-27 17:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-03-07  6:01 ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-04-09 20:39   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-02 23:32 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-03 11:57   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-05-03 16:42   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-03 20:59     ` Zeng, Oak

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