From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
"Longpeng (Mike,
Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)"
<longpeng2@huawei.com>,
Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
Anthony Yznaga <anthony.yznaga@oracle.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"Gonglei (Arei)" <arei.gonglei@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] madvise MADV_DOEXEC
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 16:33:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ce1f52f-d84d-49ba-c027-058266e16d81@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YRp169xvwB3j0rpD@casper.infradead.org>
On 16.08.21 16:27, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 04:10:28PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> Until recently, the CPUs only having 4 1GB TLB entries. I'm sure we
>>>>> still have customers using that generation of CPUs. 2MB pages perform
>>>>> better than 1GB pages on the previous generation of hardware, and I
>>>>> haven't seen numbers for the next generation yet.
>>>>
>>>> I read that somewhere else before, yet we have heavy 1 GiB page users,
>>>> especially in the context of VMs and DPDK.
>>>
>>> I wonder if those users actually benchmarked. Or whether the memory
>>> savings worked out so well for them that the loss of TLB performance
>>> didn't matter.
>>
>> These applications are extremely performance sensitive (i.e., RT workloads),
>
> "real time does not mean real fast". it means predictable latency.
I know, but that doesn't explain why you would use 2 MB vs 1 GiB.
(most of these applications want also a low predictable latency)
>
>>>> I will rephrase my previous statement "hugetlbfs just doesn't raise these
>>>> problems because we are special casing it all over the place already". For
>>>> example, not allowing to swap such pages. Disallowing MADV_DONTNEED. Special
>>>> hugetlbfs locking.
>>>
>>> Sure, that's why I want to drag this feature out of "oh this is a
>>> hugetlb special case" and into "this is something Linux supports".
>>
>> I would have understood the move to optimize SHMEM internally - similar to
>> how we seem to optimize hugetlbfs SHMEM right now internally. (although
>> sharing page tables for shmem can still be quite tricky)
>>
>> I did not follow why we have to play games with MAP_PRIVATE, and having
>> private anonymous pages shared between processes that don't COW, introducing
>> new syscalls etc.
>
> It's not about SHMEM, it's about file-backed pages on regular
> filesystems. I don't want to have XFS, ext4 and btrfs all with their
> own implementations of ARCH_WANT_HUGE_PMD_SHARE.
Let me ask this way: why do we have to play such games with MAP_PRIVATE?
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-16 14:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-27 17:11 [RFC PATCH 0/5] madvise MADV_DOEXEC Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-27 17:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-07-27 18:00 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-28 13:40 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-27 17:11 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] elf: reintroduce using MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE for elf executable mappings Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-27 17:11 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] mm: do not assume only the stack vma exists in setup_arg_pages() Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-27 17:11 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] mm: introduce VM_EXEC_KEEP Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-28 13:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-07-28 17:44 ` Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-29 13:52 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-07-29 23:20 ` Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-27 17:11 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] exec, elf: require opt-in for accepting preserved mem Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-27 17:11 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] mm: introduce MADV_DOEXEC Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-28 13:22 ` Kirill Tkhai
2020-07-28 14:06 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-28 11:34 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] madvise MADV_DOEXEC Kirill Tkhai
2020-07-28 17:28 ` Anthony Yznaga
2020-07-28 14:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-28 14:30 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 15:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-30 15:27 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-30 15:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-30 15:54 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-31 9:12 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-07-30 15:59 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 17:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-30 17:35 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 17:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-30 18:27 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-30 21:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-07-31 14:57 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 15:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-31 16:11 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 16:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 17:15 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 17:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-07-31 17:55 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 17:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-03 15:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-08-03 15:42 ` James Bottomley
2020-08-03 20:03 ` Steven Sistare
[not found] ` <9371b8272fd84280ae40b409b260bab3@AcuMS.aculab.com>
2020-08-04 11:13 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-03 19:29 ` Steven Sistare
2020-07-31 19:41 ` Steven Sistare
2021-07-08 9:52 ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2021-07-08 12:48 ` Steven Sistare
2021-07-12 1:05 ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2021-07-12 1:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-07-13 0:57 ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2021-08-13 19:49 ` Khalid Aziz
2021-08-14 20:07 ` David Laight
2021-08-16 0:26 ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2021-08-16 8:07 ` David Laight
2021-08-16 6:54 ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2021-08-16 8:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 12:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 12:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 12:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 12:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 13:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 13:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 14:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 14:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 14:33 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-08-16 14:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 15:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 15:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 16:06 ` Khalid Aziz
2021-08-16 16:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-16 16:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 12:27 ` [private] " David Hildenbrand
2021-08-16 12:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-17 0:47 ` Longpeng (Mike, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept.)
2021-08-17 0:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
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