From: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
To: "dalias@libc.org" <dalias@libc.org>
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Subject: Re: [musl] Re: [PATCH v8 00/38] arm64/gcs: Provide support for GCS in userspace
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:36:12 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4a3809e8-61b2-4341-a868-292ba6e64e8a@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240221145800.GR4163@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
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On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 09:58:01AM -0500, dalias@libc.org wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 01:53:10PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 08:27:37PM -0500, dalias@libc.org wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 12:35:48AM +0000, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> > > > (INCSSP, RSTORSSP, etc). These are a collection of instructions that
> > > > allow limited control of the SSP. When shadow stack gets disabled,
> > > > these suddenly turn into #UD generating instructions. So any other
> > > > threads executing those instructions when shadow stack got disabled
> > > > would be in for a nasty surprise.
> > > This is the kernel's problem if that's happening. It should be
> > > trapping these and returning immediately like a NOP if shadow stack
> > > has been disabled, not generating SIGILL.
> > I'm not sure that's going to work out well, all it takes is some code
> > that's looking at the shadow stack and expecting something to happen as
> > a result of the instructions it's executing and we run into trouble. A
> I said NOP but there's no reason it strictly needs to be a NOP. It
> could instead do something reasonable to convey the state of racing
> with shadow stack being disabled.
This feels like it's getting complicated and I fear it may be an uphill
struggle to get such code merged, at least for arm64. My instinct is
that it's going to be much more robust and generally tractable to let
things run to some suitable synchronisation point and then disable
there, but if we're going to do that then userspace can hopefully
arrange to do the disabling itself through the standard disable
interface anyway. Presumably it'll want to notice things being disabled
at some point anyway? TBH that's been how all the prior proposals for
process wide disable I've seen were done.
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-03 12:25 [PATCH v8 00/38] arm64/gcs: Provide support for GCS in userspace Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 01/38] arm64/mm: Restructure arch_validate_flags() for extensibility Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 02/38] prctl: arch-agnostic prctl for shadow stack Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 03/38] mman: Add map_shadow_stack() flags Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 04/38] arm64: Document boot requirements for Guarded Control Stacks Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 05/38] arm64/gcs: Document the ABI " Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 06/38] arm64/sysreg: Add definitions for architected GCS caps Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 07/38] arm64/gcs: Add manual encodings of GCS instructions Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 08/38] arm64/gcs: Provide put_user_gcs() Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 09/38] arm64/cpufeature: Runtime detection of Guarded Control Stack (GCS) Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 10/38] arm64/mm: Allocate PIE slots for EL0 guarded control stack Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 11/38] mm: Define VM_SHADOW_STACK for arm64 when we support GCS Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 12/38] arm64/mm: Map pages for guarded control stack Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 13/38] KVM: arm64: Manage GCS registers for guests Mark Brown
2024-02-05 9:46 ` Marc Zyngier
2024-02-05 12:35 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-05 15:34 ` Marc Zyngier
2024-02-05 16:58 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 14/38] arm64/gcs: Allow GCS usage at EL0 and EL1 Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 15/38] arm64/idreg: Add overrride for GCS Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 16/38] arm64/hwcap: Add hwcap " Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 17/38] arm64/traps: Handle GCS exceptions Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 18/38] arm64/mm: Handle GCS data aborts Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 19/38] arm64/gcs: Context switch GCS state for EL0 Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 20/38] arm64/gcs: Ensure that new threads have a GCS Mark Brown
2024-02-20 2:02 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-21 18:16 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 21/38] arm64/gcs: Implement shadow stack prctl() interface Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 22/38] arm64/mm: Implement map_shadow_stack() Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 23/38] arm64/signal: Set up and restore the GCS context for signal handlers Mark Brown
2024-02-20 2:03 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 24/38] arm64/signal: Expose GCS state in signal frames Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 25/38] arm64/ptrace: Expose GCS via ptrace and core files Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 26/38] arm64: Add Kconfig for Guarded Control Stack (GCS) Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 27/38] kselftest/arm64: Verify the GCS hwcap Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 28/38] kselftest/arm64: Add GCS as a detected feature in the signal tests Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 29/38] kselftest/arm64: Add framework support for GCS to signal handling tests Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 30/38] kselftest/arm64: Allow signals tests to specify an expected si_code Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 31/38] kselftest/arm64: Always run signals tests with GCS enabled Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 32/38] kselftest/arm64: Add very basic GCS test program Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:25 ` [PATCH v8 33/38] kselftest/arm64: Add a GCS test program built with the system libc Mark Brown
2024-02-20 2:15 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-21 19:20 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22 19:11 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-23 2:24 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-27 16:14 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-27 19:08 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-29 21:45 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-29 22:13 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-03 12:26 ` [PATCH v8 34/38] kselftest/arm64: Add test coverage for GCS mode locking Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:26 ` [PATCH v8 35/38] selftests/arm64: Add GCS signal tests Mark Brown
2024-02-20 2:17 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-03 12:26 ` [PATCH v8 36/38] kselftest/arm64: Add a GCS stress test Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:26 ` [PATCH v8 37/38] kselftest/arm64: Enable GCS for the FP stress tests Mark Brown
2024-02-03 12:26 ` [PATCH v8 38/38] kselftest: Provide shadow stack enable helpers for arm64 Mark Brown
2024-02-20 2:00 ` [PATCH v8 00/38] arm64/gcs: Provide support for GCS in userspace Thiago Jung Bauermann
2024-02-20 16:36 ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-02-20 18:41 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-20 18:57 ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2024-02-20 23:30 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-20 23:54 ` dalias
2024-02-21 0:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-21 0:44 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-21 1:27 ` dalias
2024-02-21 2:11 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-21 4:18 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-21 13:53 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-21 14:58 ` dalias
2024-02-21 17:36 ` Mark Brown [this message]
2024-02-21 17:57 ` dalias
2024-02-21 18:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-21 18:30 ` dalias
2024-02-21 18:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-21 19:06 ` dalias
2024-02-21 19:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-21 20:18 ` H.J. Lu
2024-02-21 20:25 ` H.J. Lu
2024-02-21 21:12 ` H.J. Lu
2024-02-21 20:18 ` dalias
2024-02-22 13:57 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-21 18:32 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-21 19:10 ` dalias
2024-03-02 14:57 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2024-03-02 15:05 ` H.J. Lu
2024-03-14 14:03 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 23:59 ` Stefan O'Rear
2024-02-21 0:40 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-21 4:30 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-02-20 20:14 ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 23:30 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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