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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
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	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>,
	Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
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	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/15] mm, dma, arm64: Reduce ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN to 8
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 14:38:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZHX8by5zkzcnCUry@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230526172930.000015f8@Huawei.com>

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 05:29:30PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 17:07:40 +0100
> Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 May 2023 15:31:34 +0100
> > Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 01:31:38PM +0100, Jonathan Cameron wrote:  
> > > > On Wed, 24 May 2023 18:18:49 +0100
> > > > Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:    
> > > > > Another version of the series reducing the kmalloc() minimum alignment
> > > > > on arm64 to 8 (from 128). Other architectures can easily opt in by
> > > > > defining ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN as 8 and selecting
> > > > > DMA_BOUNCE_UNALIGNED_KMALLOC.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The first 10 patches decouple ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN from
> > > > > ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN and, for arm64, limit the kmalloc() caches to those
> > > > > aligned to the run-time probed cache_line_size(). On arm64 we gain the
> > > > > kmalloc-{64,192} caches.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The subsequent patches (11 to 15) further reduce the kmalloc() caches to
> > > > > kmalloc-{8,16,32,96} if the default swiotlb is present by bouncing small
> > > > > buffers in the DMA API.    
> > > > 
> > > > I think IIO_DMA_MINALIGN needs to switch to ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN as well.
> > > > 
> > > > It's used to force static alignement of buffers with larger structures,
> > > > to make them suitable for non coherent DMA, similar to your other cases.    
> > > 
> > > Ah, I forgot that you introduced that macro. However, at a quick grep, I
> > > don't think this forced alignment always works as intended (irrespective
> > > of this series). Let's take an example:
> > > 
> > > struct ltc2496_driverdata {
> > > 	/* this must be the first member */
> > > 	struct ltc2497core_driverdata common_ddata;
> > > 	struct spi_device *spi;
> > > 
> > > 	/*
> > > 	 * DMA (thus cache coherency maintenance) may require the
> > > 	 * transfer buffers to live in their own cache lines.
> > > 	 */
> > > 	unsigned char rxbuf[3] __aligned(IIO_DMA_MINALIGN);
> > > 	unsigned char txbuf[3];
> > > };
> > > 
> > > The rxbuf is aligned to IIO_DMA_MINALIGN, the structure and its size as
> > > well but txbuf is at an offset of 3 bytes from the aligned
> > > IIO_DMA_MINALIGN. So basically any cache maintenance on rxbuf would
> > > corrupt txbuf.  
> > 
> > That was intentional (though possibly wrong if I've misunderstood
> > the underlying issue).
> > 
> > For SPI controllers at least my understanding was that it is safe to
> > assume that they won't trample on themselves.  The driver doesn't
> > touch the buffers when DMA is in flight - to do so would indeed result
> > in corruption.
> > 
> > So whilst we could end up with the SPI master writing stale data back
> > to txbuf after the transfer it will never matter (as the value is unchanged).
> > Any flushes in the other direction will end up flushing both rxbuf and
> > txbuf anyway which is also harmless.
> 
> Adding missing detail.  As the driver never writes txbuf whilst any DMA
> is going on, the second cache evict (to flush out any lines that have
> crept back into cache after the flush - and write backs - pre DMA) will
> find a clean line and will drop it without writing back - thus no corruption.

Thanks for the clarification. One more thing, can the txbuf be written
prior to the DMA_FROM_DEVICE transfer into rxbuf? Or the txbuf writing
is always followed by a DMA_TO_DEVICE mapping (which would flush the
cache line).

-- 
Catalin


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-30 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-24 17:18 [PATCH v5 00/15] mm, dma, arm64: Reduce ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN to 8 Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 01/15] mm/slab: Decouple ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN from ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 02/15] dma: Allow dma_get_cache_alignment() to be overridden by the arch code Catalin Marinas
2023-05-25 13:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 03/15] mm/slab: Simplify create_kmalloc_cache() args and make it static Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 04/15] mm/slab: Limit kmalloc() minimum alignment to dma_get_cache_alignment() Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 05/15] drivers/base: Use ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN instead of ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 06/15] drivers/gpu: " Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 07/15] drivers/usb: " Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 08/15] drivers/spi: " Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 09/15] drivers/md: " Catalin Marinas
2023-05-25 14:00   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-24 17:18 ` [PATCH v5 10/15] arm64: Allow kmalloc() caches aligned to the smaller cache_line_size() Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:19 ` [PATCH v5 11/15] scatterlist: Add dedicated config for DMA flags Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:19 ` [PATCH v5 12/15] dma-mapping: Force bouncing if the kmalloc() size is not cache-line-aligned Catalin Marinas
2023-05-25 15:53   ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-24 17:19 ` [PATCH v5 13/15] iommu/dma: Force bouncing if the size is not cacheline-aligned Catalin Marinas
2023-05-25 15:57   ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-26 16:36   ` Jisheng Zhang
2023-05-26 19:22     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-30 13:01       ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-24 17:19 ` [PATCH v5 14/15] mm: slab: Reduce the kmalloc() minimum alignment if DMA bouncing possible Catalin Marinas
2023-05-24 17:19 ` [PATCH v5 15/15] arm64: Enable ARCH_WANT_KMALLOC_DMA_BOUNCE for arm64 Catalin Marinas
2023-05-25 16:12   ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-25 17:08     ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-25 12:31 ` [PATCH v5 00/15] mm, dma, arm64: Reduce ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN to 8 Jonathan Cameron
2023-05-25 14:31   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-05-26 16:07     ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-05-26 16:29       ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-05-30 13:38         ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2023-05-30 16:31           ` Jonathan Cameron

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