From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: zong@andestech.com, aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, alankao@andestech.com,
greentime@andestech.com, palmer@sifive.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Vincent Chen <vincentc@andestech.com>,
kito@andestech.com, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
deanbo422@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/2] RISC-V: A proposal to add vendor-specific code
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 14:51:33 +0100 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <20181105090852.GA14924@infradead.org>
On 11/5/18, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 09:52:52AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>> > I fundamentally disagree with this… and think it should be the
>> > contrary.
>> >
>> > 1. The kernel shall support no vendor specific instructions whatsoever,
>> > period.
>>
>> I think what was meant above is
>>
>> 1. If a vendor extension requires kernel support, that support
>> must be able to be built into a kernel image without breaking support
>> for CPUs that do not have that extension, to allow building a single
>> kernel image that works on all CPUs.
>
> No. This literally means no vendor extensions involving instructions
> or CSRs in the kernel. They are fine for userspace, or for the M-mode
> code including impementation of the SBI, but not for the kernel.
I was trying to interpret what Vincent wrote, not what you wrote,
you were pretty clear already ;-)
With the stricter policy you suggest, we'd loose the ability to support
some extensions that might be common:
- an extension for user space that adds new registers that must be
saved and restored on a task switch, e.g. FPU, DSP or NPU
instructions. ARM supports several incompatible extensions like
that in one kernel, and this is really ugly, but I suspect RISC-V
will already need the same thing to support all combinations of
standard extensions, so from a practical perspective it's not
much different for custom extension, aside from the question
how far you want to go to discourage custom extensions by
requiring users to patch their kernels.
- A crypto instruction for a cipher that is used in the kernel
for speeding up network or block data encryption.
This would typically be a standalone loadable module, so
the impact of allowing custom extensions in addition to
standard ones is minimal.
Arnd
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-31 10:35 [RFC 0/2] RISC-V: A proposal to add vendor-specific code Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` [RFC 1/2] RISC-V: An infrastructure " Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` [RFC 2/2] RISC-V: make dma_map_ops work without cache coherent agent Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 10:35 ` Vincent Chen
2018-10-31 11:16 ` [RFC 0/2] RISC-V: A proposal to add vendor-specific code Anup Patel
2018-10-31 11:16 ` Anup Patel
2018-10-31 11:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-31 11:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-31 14:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-10-31 14:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-01 0:55 ` Alan Kao
2018-11-01 0:55 ` Alan Kao
2018-11-01 17:50 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-01 17:50 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-02 0:41 ` Alan Kao
2018-11-02 0:41 ` Alan Kao
2018-10-31 17:27 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-10-31 17:27 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-10-31 19:17 ` Olof Johansson
2018-10-31 19:17 ` Olof Johansson
2018-11-01 17:48 ` Karsten Merker
2018-11-05 6:58 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-05 6:58 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-05 7:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 7:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 8:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-05 8:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-05 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 9:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-05 13:51 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2018-11-05 13:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-06 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-07 9:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-07 9:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-06 23:45 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-11-08 2:43 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-08 2:43 ` Vincent Chen
2018-11-05 19:39 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-05 19:39 ` Nick Kossifidis
2018-11-06 6:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-11-06 6:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
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