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From: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: avorontsov-hkdhdckH98+B+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org
Cc: Hans-Peter Nilsson
	<hans-peter.nilsson-VrBV9hrLPhE@public.gmane.org>,
	Mikael Starvik <mikael.starvik-VrBV9hrLPhE@public.gmane.org>,
	Mike Lavender
	<mike-UTnDXsALFwNjMdQLN6DIHgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>,
	spi-devel-general-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Pierre Ossman
	<drzeus-mmc-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 2.6.22-git5 0/4] MMC-over-SPI
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:33:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707231033.31717.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070723142923.GA28979-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>

On Monday 23 July 2007, Anton Vorontsov wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 01:28:17PM -0700, David Brownell wrote:

> > I notice that driver disregards the cs_change instructions in the
> > messages ... I could imagine how that could make a big difference.

For example, the extra flapping on the chipselect changes timings...


> > If that hardware were doing the right thing, then it would work
> > reliably!  Since it's not reliable, it's doing something wrong.
> > You seem to think it's not a hardware issue; that may be true.
> > 
> > Recall that the first dozen or so commands worked just fine.  The
> > issue was that some byte that should have been all-ones or 0xfe
> > reported instead an 0xf8.  That's not the kind of error that can
> > be explained by clock skew; it covers at least two bits.
> 
> Yup, I've either noticed that 0xf8 and 0xfe differs by only two
> bits (and by three if comparing to 0xff). But I can't really
> explain it yet.

See if fixing the cs_change handling -- so that chipselect never
goes inactive except between MMC requests -- helps.  Minimally,
you'll notice that mode 0 adds extra delays (albeit only 1/2 clock)
before the clock starts toggling; and that deslecting cards
except between requests or while the card issues BUSY, falls into
the "undefined behavior" category.  So while that might not be
able to trigger certain perversions, dropping a few clocks in
some odd cases would not seem to violate the spec...

- Dave

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-23 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-14 22:04 [patch 2.6.22-git5 0/4] MMC-over-SPI David Brownell
     [not found] ` <200707141504.51950.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-14 22:05   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 1/4] MMC headers learn about SPI David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141506.00262.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:31       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726183150.024930aa-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:55           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707260955.22967.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 18:05               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070726200525.6a5b7d72-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 20:08                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-14 22:06   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 2/4] MMC block learns " David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141506.42880.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:33       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726183339.6631243f-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 17:00           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707261000.17339.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 18:06               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070726200639.06242858-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 20:15                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-14 22:07   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 3/4] MMC core " David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141507.17484.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 17:18       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726191824.569542fd-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 21:58           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707261458.55558.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 22:22               ` David Brownell
2007-08-01 15:02               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070801170220.3c5ccff6-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 17:02                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200708011002.28801.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 12:54                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <20070802145445.1118d1e7-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 19:23                           ` David Brownell
2007-07-14 22:08   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 4/4] mmc_spi host driver David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200707141508.07555.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 18:02       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <20070726200202.5e5dcf62-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 23:32           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200707261632.37011.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 15:12               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <20070801171217.1478267b-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 18:17                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200708011117.24664.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 13:06                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <20070802150615.36e073c6-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 20:34                           ` David Brownell
     [not found]                             ` <200708021334.50670.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-04 13:14                               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                                 ` <20070804151452.0efaa5a9-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-04 17:32                                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                     ` <200708041032.10001.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-04 21:32                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-08-07 12:35                               ` Pierre Ossman
2007-08-01 18:40                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-16 16:48   ` [patch 2.6.22-git5 0/4] MMC-over-SPI Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]     ` <20070716164837.GA18707-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-16 18:54       ` David Brownell
     [not found]         ` <200707161154.54728.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 15:13           ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]             ` <20070717151350.GA3752-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-17 16:11               ` David Brownell
     [not found]                 ` <200707170911.16715.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18  7:35                   ` Jan Nikitenko
     [not found]                     ` <469DC2BC.5070305-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 17:06                       ` David Brownell
2007-07-18 10:00                   ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]                     ` <20070718100047.GA9544-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 14:05                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2007-07-18 14:44                   ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                     ` <20070718164409.56ca0019-mgABNEgzgxm+PRNnhPf8W5YgPPQkE1Si@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-18 17:27                       ` David Brownell
     [not found]                         ` <200707181027.17819.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19 16:15                           ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]                             ` <20070719161553.GA15756-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-19 20:28                               ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                 ` <200707191328.18846.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-23 14:29                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
     [not found]                                     ` <20070723142923.GA28979-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-23 17:33                                       ` David Brownell [this message]
     [not found]                                         ` <200707231033.31717.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-24 10:23                                           ` Anton Vorontsov
2007-08-07  3:21                                           ` David Brownell

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