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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 3/7] kernel/fork: always deny write access to current MM exe_file
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 14:38:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59b6be94-c7d0-0535-1348-4e9c7f188d20@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210812123239.trksnm57owzwzokj@wittgenstein>

On 12.08.21 14:32, Christian Brauner wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 12:13:44PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 12.08.21 12:05, Christian Brauner wrote:
>>> [+Cc Andrei]
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 10:43:44AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>> We want to remove VM_DENYWRITE only currently only used when mapping the
>>>> executable during exec. During exec, we already deny_write_access() the
>>>> executable, however, after exec completes the VMAs mapped
>>>> with VM_DENYWRITE effectively keeps write access denied via
>>>> deny_write_access().
>>>>
>>>> Let's deny write access when setting the MM exe_file. With this change, we
>>>> can remove VM_DENYWRITE for mapping executables.
>>>>
>>>> This represents a minor user space visible change:
>>>> sys_prctl(PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE) can now fail if the file is already
>>>> opened writable. Also, after sys_prctl(PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE), the file
>>>
>>> Just for completeness, this also affects PR_SET_MM_MAP when exe_fd is
>>> set.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>>
>>>> cannot be opened writable. Note that we can already fail with -EACCES if
>>>> the file doesn't have execute permissions.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
>>>> ---
>>>
>>> The biggest user I know and that I'm involved in is CRIU which heavily
>>> uses PR_SET_MM_MAP (with a fallback to PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE on older
>>> kernels) during restore. Afair, criu opens the exe fd as an O_PATH
>>> during dump and thus will use the same flag during restore when
>>> opening it. So that should be fine.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>>
>>> However, if I understand the consequences of this change correctly, a
>>> problem could be restoring workloads that hold a writable fd open to
>>> their exe file at dump time which would mean that during restore that fd
>>> would be reopened writable causing CRIU to fail when setting the exe
>>> file for the task to be restored.
>>
>> If it's their exe file, then the existing VM_DENYWRITE handling would have
>> forbidden these workloads to open the fd of their exe file writable, right?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> At least before doing any PR_SET_MM_MAP/PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE. But that should
>> rule out quite a lot of cases we might be worried about, right?
> 
> Yes, it rules out the most obvious cases. The problem is really just
> that we don't know how common weirder cases are. But that doesn't mean
> we shouldn't try and risk it. This is a nice cleanup and playing
> /proc/self/exe games isn't super common.
> 

Right, and having the file your executing opened writable isn't 
something very common as well.

If we really run into problems, we could not protect the new file when 
issuing PR_SET_MM_MAP/PR_SET_MM_EXE_FILE. But I'd like to avoid that, if 
possible, because it feels like working around something that never 
should have worked that way and is quite inconsistent.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-12 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-12  8:43 [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] binfmt: don't use MAP_DENYWRITE when loading shared libraries via uselib() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] kernel/fork: factor out atomcially replacing the current MM exe_file David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  9:17   ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] kernel/fork: always deny write access to " David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 10:05   ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 10:13     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:32       ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 12:38         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-08-12 16:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 19:38     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] binfmt: remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] mm: remove VM_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] mm: ignore MAP_DENYWRITE in ksys_mmap_pgoff() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12  8:43 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] fs: update documentation of get_write_access() and friends David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 12:47   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 16:17   ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:35   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 17:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 18:01       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 18:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 18:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-13  9:05           ` David Laight
     [not found]             ` <87h7ft2j68.fsf@disp2133>
2021-08-13 20:51               ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-14  0:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14  0:49                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-14  0:54                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14  0:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14  1:57                       ` Al Viro
2021-08-14  2:02                         ` Al Viro
2021-08-14  9:06                           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-14  7:53                         ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 19:52                     ` David Laight
2021-08-26 17:48                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-26 21:47                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-26 22:13                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-27  8:22                           ` David Laight
2021-08-27 15:58                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-09-01  8:28                           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-27 10:18                         ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14  3:04                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-17 16:48                     ` Removing Mandatory Locks Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-17 16:50                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-18  9:34                       ` Rodrigo Campos
2021-08-19 19:18                         ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:03                           ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-19 18:39                       ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 19:15                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 19:55                           ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-19 20:18                           ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:31                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 21:43                               ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 22:32                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20  8:30                                   ` David Laight
2021-08-23  7:55                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-08-23  8:14                                       ` David Laight
2021-08-20 13:43                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2021-08-20 16:06                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20  2:10                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-20  6:36                               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20  7:14                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 12:27                                   ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 12:38                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 13:03                                       ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 13:11                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 16:30                           ` Kees Cook
2021-08-20 19:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2021-08-20 21:29                               ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-21 12:45                                 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-23 22:15                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 22:31                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-18  7:51                     ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Christian Brauner
2021-08-18 15:42                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-19 13:56                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-19 14:33                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 12:54                         ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                     ` <162943109106.9892.7426782042253067338@noble.neil.brown.name>
2021-08-20  8:25                       ` David Laight
2021-08-12 19:24         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 18:15       ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 18:21         ` Linus Torvalds

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