From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:10:28 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgru1UAm3kAKSOdnbewPXQMOxYkq9PnAsRadAC6pXCCMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf56bllc.fsf@disp2133>
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 7:48 AM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>
> Given that MAP_PRIVATE for shared libraries is our strategy for handling
> writes to shared libraries perhaps we just need to use MAP_POPULATE or a
> new related flag (perhaps MAP_PRIVATE_NOW)
No. That would be horrible for the usual bloated GUI libraries. It
might help some (dynamic page faults are not cheap either), but it
would hurt a lot.
This is definitely a "if you overwrite a system library while it's
being used, you get to keep both pieces" situation.
The kernel ETXTBUSY thing is purely a courtesy feature, and as people
have noticed it only really works for the main executable because of
various reasons. It's not something user space should even rely on,
it's more of a "ok, you're doing something incredibly stupid, and
we'll help you avoid shooting yourself in the foot when we notice".
Any distro should make sure their upgrade tools don't just
truncate/write to random libraries executables.
And if they do, it's really not a kernel issue.
This patch series basically takes this very historical error return,
and simplifies and clarifies the implementation, and in the process
might change some very subtle corner case (unmapping the original
executable entirely?). I hope (and think) it wouldn't matter exactly
because this is a "courtesy error" rather than anything that a sane
setup would _depend_ on, but hey, insane setups clearly exist.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-12 18:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-08-12 8:43 [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] binfmt: don't use MAP_DENYWRITE when loading shared libraries via uselib() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] kernel/fork: factor out atomcially replacing the current MM exe_file David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 9:17 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] kernel/fork: always deny write access to " David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 10:05 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 10:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:32 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-12 12:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-12 19:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] binfmt: remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] mm: remove VM_DENYWRITE David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] mm: ignore MAP_DENYWRITE in ksys_mmap_pgoff() David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 8:43 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] fs: update documentation of get_write_access() and friends David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 12:20 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 12:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 16:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 17:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 17:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-12 18:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-12 18:10 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2021-08-12 18:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-13 9:05 ` David Laight
[not found] ` <87h7ft2j68.fsf@disp2133>
2021-08-13 20:51 ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-14 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 0:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-14 0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 0:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-14 1:57 ` Al Viro
2021-08-14 2:02 ` Al Viro
2021-08-14 9:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-14 7:53 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 19:52 ` David Laight
2021-08-26 17:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-08-26 21:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-26 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-27 8:22 ` David Laight
2021-08-27 15:58 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-09-01 8:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-27 10:18 ` Christian Brauner
2021-08-14 3:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-17 16:48 ` Removing Mandatory Locks Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-17 16:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-18 9:34 ` Rodrigo Campos
2021-08-19 19:18 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-19 18:39 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 19:55 ` Eric Biggers
2021-08-19 20:18 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-19 21:43 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-19 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20 8:30 ` David Laight
2021-08-23 7:55 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2021-08-23 8:14 ` David Laight
2021-08-20 13:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2021-08-20 16:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-08-20 2:10 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-20 6:36 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 7:14 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-08-20 12:27 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 12:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 13:03 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-20 13:11 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-08-20 16:30 ` Kees Cook
2021-08-20 19:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2021-08-20 21:29 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-21 12:45 ` Jeff Layton
2021-08-23 22:15 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 22:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-08-18 7:51 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] Remove in-tree usage of MAP_DENYWRITE Christian Brauner
2021-08-18 15:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-19 13:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-08-19 14:33 ` J. Bruce Fields
2021-08-20 12:54 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <162943109106.9892.7426782042253067338@noble.neil.brown.name>
2021-08-20 8:25 ` David Laight
2021-08-12 19:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-08-12 18:15 ` Florian Weimer
2021-08-12 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
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