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From: Thomas Hood <jdthood@yahoo.co.uk>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
Date: 15 Jan 2003 21:08:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1042661316.1743.71.camel@localhost> (raw)

RMS: This battle is lost.  By continuing to complain
about the use of "Linux" you are not only wasting your
time; you are harming your reputation, too.  Why?
Because you are *wrong*, and yet you won't admit that you
are wrong, but continue to reiterate your wrong opinion.
This makes you sound like a fanatic.  Your stubbornness
has served you well in other causes (where you are closer
to the truth), but is hurting you here.

Let me explain how you are wrong.  You say things like:

> Calling the system "Linux" denies the GNU Project
> credit for the GNU operating system.

This is wrong.  The use of a proper name does not commit
the user to any particular characterization of what bears
that name.  I can use the name 'Linux' without in any way
committing myself to a denial of the role of GNU in Linux.
When I use the name 'Linux', I (usually) denote that
collection of software consisting of GNU's tools, Linus's
kernel, Ximian's MUA, etc.  I do this without contradicting
myself in the least.  In philosophical jargon, proper names
do not have connotations.

To see, this, suppose I decide to start calling you "Mr. X".
This may not be very polite of me, but it is not incorrect,
so long as everyone understands whom I am referring to.
So when you say that 'GNU/Linux' is a "just" name and
'Linux' is not, you are wrong.  There is no such standard
of justice.

In your view, Linux is "the GNU system" with a Linux kernel
added on.  Fine.  But it is wrong of you to imply that this
is the only way to regard what you call 'GNU/Linux'. 
It is equally legitimate to regard it as Linux with GNU
utilities added on.  There is no objective standard for
what constitutes a "system" or "the same system" in this
context.  You are wrong to imply that there is one.

I am willing to entertain the proposition that the GNU
project deserves greater recognition in Linux circles than
it has received.  But I want to warn you that quibbling over
a name is a bad way to try to improve the situation.  Doing
so on the basis of bad arguments is doubly bad.

Apart from that ... carry on the good work!

-- 
Thomas Hood <jdthood@yahoo.co.uk>


             reply	other threads:[~2003-01-15 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-15 20:08 Thomas Hood [this message]
2003-01-15 20:25 ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Mark Hounschell
     [not found] <20030112070914.AAA21737%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-12 14:40 ` Rob Wilkens
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-12  7:13 David Schwartz
2003-01-12  6:16 Mark Mielke
2003-01-12  7:09 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-10 15:29 Larry Sendlosky
2003-01-11  1:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  2:07   ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:13     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  2:17       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:38         ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  2:41           ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:46             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 21:44           ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 21:53             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 22:16               ` Chief Gadgeteer
2003-01-11 22:26               ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 23:23                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  3:33                   ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-12  3:43                     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  4:19                     ` David Schwartz
2003-01-13 13:51                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-12  4:00                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-12  4:04                     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  7:47                     ` Chuck Wolber
2003-01-11 22:36               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-01-11 22:57                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 11:13                   ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-11  3:26     ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11  2:54       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:58         ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:11           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-01-11  3:14             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:16           ` John Adams
2003-01-11  3:35             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:48               ` Hans Sgier
2003-01-11  3:55                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  4:41               ` J Sloan
2003-01-11  4:44                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  5:09                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 15:57                   ` Tom Sightler
2003-01-11  3:27           ` Brian Tinsley
     [not found]             ` <1042256385.1259.106.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com>
2003-01-11  4:16               ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-11  3:52           ` yodaiken
2003-01-11  4:05             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  5:45               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-11  6:01           ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-11 15:03             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 19:41               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 21:18                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  6:32         ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-11  2:55       ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:20   ` Tom Sightler
2003-01-11 19:48     ` Mark Mielke
     [not found] <fa.gm4r3cv.1r4avpq@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hq6mucv.l4qg1c@ifi.uio.no>
2003-01-08 15:02   ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2003-01-08 20:53     ` Jon Portnoy
2003-01-09 23:13     ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:45       ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-05  8:02 Albert D. Cahalan
2003-01-06 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 17:37   ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-06 19:40     ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06 23:33     ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 15:47       ` Disconnect
2003-01-07 13:40     ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-07 14:26       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-08  8:00         ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 13:51           ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-09 23:14             ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:24               ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  0:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10  5:33               ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-01-10  6:07                 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-10  6:31                   ` Miles Bader
2003-01-10 14:17                 ` Charles Cazabon
2003-01-11  1:36                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  4:06                   ` John Jasen
2003-01-11  7:13                     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 21:29           ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-09  2:26           ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
2003-01-09  8:57             ` John Alvord
2003-01-10  9:52               ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 16:05                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-10 18:41                 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-01-12 11:55                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-12 12:27                     ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-13 14:32                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:09                       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 17:22                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:37                           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 18:48                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-14 18:55                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-14 19:06                                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-14 21:32                                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-15 12:44                                   ` Gaël Le Mignot
2003-01-14 22:20                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2003-01-13 17:51                           ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-14 18:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:14             ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:39               ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-07 16:18       ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-08  2:29         ` Miles Bader
2003-01-09  7:28         ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09  6:44           ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-03 22:24 Shureih, Tariq
2003-01-03 23:06 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 21:52 Steven Barnhart
2003-01-04  0:18 ` Florian Weimer
2003-01-03 21:50 NVidia " Steven Barnhart
2003-01-03 20:31 Nvidia " Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 21:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 21:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-03 21:32   ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 22:09   ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-04  0:02     ` Lionel Bouton
2003-01-03 22:59   ` Måns Rullgård
2003-01-04 23:45   ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04  4:37 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-01  2:41 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-01  9:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-02 18:38   ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-02 18:49     ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-02 19:02     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-02 19:31     ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03  7:50       ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03  7:56         ` Mark Hahn
2003-01-03 20:30           ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 11:17         ` venom
2003-01-03 11:49           ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 13:11             ` venom
2003-01-03 14:58             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-03 15:25               ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 15:48                 ` Hugo Mills
2003-01-03 20:30           ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03  1:01     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03  7:50       ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 22:14     ` Matthias Andree

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