From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
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Jacob jun Pan <jacob.jun.pan@intel.com>,
Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/8] iommu: Add iommu_group_replace_domain()
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:10:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1347f0ef-e046-1332-32f0-07347cc2079c@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220214124518.GU4160@nvidia.com>
On 2022-02-14 12:45, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 12:09:36PM +0000, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> On 2022-01-06 02:20, Lu Baolu wrote:
>>> Expose an interface to replace the domain of an iommu group for frameworks
>>> like vfio which claims the ownership of the whole iommu group.
>>
>> But if the underlying point is the new expectation that
>> iommu_{attach,detach}_device() operate on the device's whole group where
>> relevant, why should we invent some special mechanism for VFIO to be
>> needlessly inconsistent?
>>
>> I said before that it's trivial for VFIO to resolve a suitable device if it
>> needs to; by now I've actually written the patch ;)
>>
>> https://gitlab.arm.com/linux-arm/linux-rm/-/commit/9f37d8c17c9b606abc96e1f1001c0b97c8b93ed5
>
> Er, how does locking work there? What keeps busdev from being
> concurrently unplugged?
Same thing that prevents the bus pointer from suddenly becoming invalid
in the current code, I guess :)
But yes, holding a group reference alone can't prevent the group itself
from changing, and the finer points of locking still need working out -
there's a reason you got a link to a WIP branch in my tree rather than a
proper patch in your inbox (TBH at the moment that one represents about
a 5:1 ratio of time spent on the reasoning behind the commit message vs.
the implementation itself).
> How can iommu_group_get() be safely called on
> this pointer?
VFIO hardly needs to retrieve the iommu_group from a device which it
derived from the iommu_group it holds in the first place. What matters
is being able to call *other* device-based IOMMU API interfaces in the
long term. And once a robust solution for that is in place, it should
inevitably work for a device-based attach interface too.
> All of the above only works normally inside a probe/remove context
> where the driver core is blocking concurrent unplug and descruction.
>
> I think I said this last time you brought it up that lifetime was the
> challenge with this idea.
Indeed, but it's a challenge that needs tackling, because the bus-based
interfaces need to go away. So either we figure it out now and let this
attach interface rework benefit immediately, or I spend three times as
long solving it on my own and end up deleting
iommu_group_replace_domain() in about 6 months' time anyway.
Thanks,
Robin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-02-14 14:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-01-06 2:20 [PATCH v1 0/8] Scrap iommu_attach/detach_group() interfaces Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 1/8] iommu: Add iommu_group_replace_domain() Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 17:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07 0:26 ` Lu Baolu
2022-02-14 12:09 ` Robin Murphy
2022-02-14 12:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-14 14:10 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2022-02-14 14:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-14 16:38 ` Robin Murphy
2022-02-14 17:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 2/8] vfio/type1: Use iommu_group_replace_domain() Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 3/8] iommu: Extend iommu_at[de]tach_device() for multi-device groups Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 17:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07 1:14 ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-07 1:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-14 11:39 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-14 13:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-14 14:39 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-14 15:18 ` Robin Murphy
2022-02-14 15:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-15 8:58 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-15 13:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-16 6:28 ` Lu Baolu
2022-02-16 13:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 4/8] drm/tegra: Use iommu_attach/detatch_device() Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 5/8] iommu/amd: Use iommu_attach/detach_device() Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 14:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07 0:23 ` Lu Baolu
2022-02-14 11:27 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-14 13:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-14 13:40 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-14 14:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-14 14:23 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-14 15:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-02-15 9:11 ` Joerg Roedel
2022-02-15 13:02 ` Robin Murphy
2022-02-15 14:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 6/8] gpu/host1x: " Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 15:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07 0:35 ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-07 0:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-07 1:19 ` Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 7/8] media: staging: media: tegra-vde: " Lu Baolu
2022-01-06 2:20 ` [PATCH v1 8/8] iommu: Remove iommu_attach/detach_group() Lu Baolu
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