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From: Shawn <core@enodev.com>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.name>
Cc: Shawn <core@enodev.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Michael Clark <michael@metaparadigm.com>,
	Mark Peloquin <markpeloquin@hotmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com,
	evms-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Evms-devel] Re: Linux v2.5.42
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:53:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021014175304.A28906@q.mn.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200210150035.14923.oliver@neukum.name>; from oliver@neukum.name on Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:35:14AM +0200

On 10/14, Oliver Neukum said something like:
> 
> > If neither LVM2 or EVMS are truly ready, no one is beholden to anyone
> > else as to anything's inclusion in mainline.
> >
> > It's a matter of marketing so say whether Linux has volume management.
> > If all the distros have LVM in some form, then "Linux has an LVM". So,
> > no one can really say "Linux doesn't have an LVM so it's not enterprise
> > ready.
> 
> This is not true. Something has to be in the mainline, so that bugs can
> be fixed. This too important to be left to distributors.

As I said before, edicts help no one. I appreciate your sentiment, and
to some degree share it, but you have to take a non-cheerleader look at
things like this.

> Besides people who compile their own kernels are not that unimportant.

No one is saying that. No one is even saying that mainline inclusion
isn't extremely beneficial to EVMS or DM. The question isn't whether DM
or EVMS would be impacted more positively if it were included. The
question is whether mainline would be better off including them, and not
the other way around.

Also, let me define the phrase "better off" to mean "better off W.R.T.
design, architecture, overall code quality, abstractions in the right
place, etc etc", and not to mean politically, as in, more users.

Honestly though, if you aren't able to do the work it takes to be a 3rd
party patch tester, it's less likely you can properly test or submit
proper bug reports in the first place.

--
Shawn Leas
core@enodev.com

I had some eyeglasses.  I was walking down the street when
suddenly the prescription ran out.
						-- Stephen Wright

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-14 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-12 17:14 Linux v2.5.42 Mark Peloquin
2002-10-12 19:34 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-12 19:37   ` jbradford
2002-10-13 23:55     ` Rob Landley
2002-10-13 12:41 ` [Evms-devel] " Michael Clark
2002-10-13 13:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-13 15:16     ` Michael Clark
2002-10-13 15:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-13 16:11         ` Brian Jackson
2002-10-13 16:26           ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-10-13 17:06             ` Brian Jackson
2002-10-13 19:58               ` Mark Hahn
2002-10-13 19:57                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-13 20:26                   ` Sean Neakums
2002-10-24 11:45                   ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-13 19:59                 ` Andrew Morton
2002-10-13 20:24                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-10-14 15:11                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 22:27                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-10-14  4:55                 ` [Evms-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2002-10-13 17:46           ` Robert Love
2002-10-13 18:34             ` Brian Jackson
2002-10-14  4:23             ` [Evms-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2002-10-14 16:08               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 14:45           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-13 16:18         ` [Evms-devel] " Michael Clark
2002-10-13 17:10           ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-13 17:41             ` Michael Clark
2002-10-14  4:43               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-14 16:16                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 15:21               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 14:42             ` Shawn
2002-10-14 15:15           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 14:20         ` Shawn
2002-10-14 16:15           ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14 21:34             ` Shawn
2002-10-14 16:21           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 16:38             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-14 21:47             ` Shawn
2002-10-15  7:42               ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
2002-10-14 21:48             ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-14 21:55               ` Shawn
2002-10-14 22:35                 ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-14 22:53                   ` Shawn [this message]
2002-10-14 23:04                     ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-14 23:16                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-14 23:30                         ` Oliver Neukum
2002-10-15  0:10                         ` Andrew Clausen
2002-10-14 22:57                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-13 13:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-14 23:57 [Evms-devel] " Mark Peloquin
2002-10-15 14:51 Steve Pratt
2002-10-15 21:18 ` Andrew Clausen

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