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From: Andrey Borzenkov <arvidjaar@mail.ru>
To: linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: removable media revalidation - udev vs. devfs or static /dev
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:33:04 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200401012333.04930.arvidjaar@mail.ru> (raw)

udev names are created when kernel detects corr. device. Unfortunately for 
removable media kernel rescans for partitions only when I try to access 
device. Meaning - because kernel does not know partition table it did not 
send hotplug event so udev did not create device nodes. But without device 
nodes I have no way to access device in Unix :(

specifically I have now my Jaz and I have no (reasonable) way to access 
partition 4 assuming device nodes are managed by udev.

devfs solved this problem by

- always exporting at least handle to the whole disk (sda as example)
- using something simple like dd if=/dev/sda count=1 on lookup for 
non-existing partition (/dev/sda4) that would rescan partitions and create 
device nodes for them.

static /dev simply has all nodes available and does not suffer from this 
problem at all.

unfortunately there are no lookup events in case if udev ... meaning at this 
moment user must manually rescan partitions after inserting new media. I do 
not see any way to solve this problem at all given current implementation. 
The closest is to blindly create nodes for all partitions as soon as block 
device is available. 

-andrey


             reply	other threads:[~2004-01-01 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-01 20:33 Andrey Borzenkov [this message]
2004-01-03  5:58 ` removable media revalidation - udev vs. devfs or static /dev Greg KH
2004-01-03  8:51   ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03 12:37     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03 12:42       ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-03 16:05         ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03 17:54           ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07  9:43             ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07  9:50               ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07  9:56                 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07  9:59                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 10:25                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 10:31                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 10:47                         ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 10:54                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 17:56                       ` Greg KH
2004-01-30 12:59                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 11:00                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 11:05                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 11:14                     ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 11:16                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-03 20:51     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 18:38   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 18:57     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 19:23       ` Mika Penttilä
2004-01-07 19:24         ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 19:31           ` Mika Penttilä
2004-01-08  1:38           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 19:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 19:50         ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 20:25           ` Richard Troth
2004-01-07 20:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-07 23:34             ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  0:32           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08  0:41             ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  1:07               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08  1:15                 ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  1:50                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08 18:34                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-08  1:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08 14:06           ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-01-08  0:42         ` viro
2004-01-08  1:16           ` Greg KH
2004-01-09  3:36       ` Joel Becker
2004-01-09  9:49         ` Gerd Knorr
2004-01-12 17:16           ` Joel Becker
2004-01-12 23:08             ` J.A. Magallon
2004-01-07 20:52     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-08  2:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  4:16         ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-08  4:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  7:45         ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-08  2:13     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  2:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  2:49         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  2:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  3:35             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  3:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  8:00                 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-01-09  0:28                 ` Robert Love
2004-01-09  0:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-09  1:16                   ` Matt Mackall
2004-01-08 10:32             `  Éric Brunet
2004-01-08  5:19 Iqbal
2004-01-12  9:09 Ling, Xiaofeng
2004-01-12 13:02 Nicolas Mailhot

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