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From: Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>
To: Gerd Knorr <kraxel@bytesex.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: removable media revalidation - udev vs. devfs or static /dev
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:16:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040112171656.GM11065@ca-server1.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wu81tptc.fsf@bytesex.org>

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 10:49:03AM +0100, Gerd Knorr wrote:
> I also think you don't need *all* minors for removable media.  I
> havn't seen removable media with extended partitions so far.  IIRC zip
> floppys are using /dev/sda4 and most other ones either /dev/sda1 or
> /dev/sda directly, so we likely can catch 99% with just three device
> nodes.

	Ahh, but that's magic, and we don't want magic.  Today, you just
'magically' know that your camera card reader shows up at sda1.  We
don't want that (or at least, I hope we don't).  We want sysfs to
describe exactly what appeared (a block device with one partition), and
we want udev to give it the name our policy has asked it to (/dev/disk1
or /dev/camera1 or /dev/partition1 or whatever that policy is).  In a
udev world, I don't want to have to intrinsicly know that sda1 is where
some card reader devices appear.  Naming should be a priori, not random.

Joel

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         - Napoleon Bonaparte

Joel Becker
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-12 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-01 20:33 removable media revalidation - udev vs. devfs or static /dev Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03  5:58 ` Greg KH
2004-01-03  8:51   ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03 12:37     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-03 12:42       ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-03 16:05         ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-03 17:54           ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07  9:43             ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07  9:50               ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07  9:56                 ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07  9:59                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 10:25                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 10:31                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 10:47                         ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 10:54                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 17:56                       ` Greg KH
2004-01-30 12:59                     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-07 11:00                 ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 11:05                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-07 11:14                     ` Andrey Borzenkov
2004-01-07 11:16                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-03 20:51     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 18:38   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 18:57     ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 19:23       ` Mika Penttilä
2004-01-07 19:24         ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 19:31           ` Mika Penttilä
2004-01-08  1:38           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 19:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-07 19:50         ` Greg KH
2004-01-07 20:25           ` Richard Troth
2004-01-07 20:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-07 23:34             ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  0:32           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08  0:41             ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  1:07               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08  1:15                 ` Greg KH
2004-01-08  1:50                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-01-08 18:34                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-01-08  1:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08 14:06           ` "Andrey Borzenkov" 
2004-01-08  0:42         ` viro
2004-01-08  1:16           ` Greg KH
2004-01-09  3:36       ` Joel Becker
2004-01-09  9:49         ` Gerd Knorr
2004-01-12 17:16           ` Joel Becker [this message]
2004-01-12 23:08             ` J.A. Magallon
2004-01-07 20:52     ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-08  2:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  4:16         ` Gene Heskett
2004-01-08  4:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  7:45         ` Olaf Hering
2004-01-08  2:13     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  2:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  2:49         ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  2:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  3:35             ` Andries Brouwer
2004-01-08  3:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-08  8:00                 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-01-09  0:28                 ` Robert Love
2004-01-09  0:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-01-09  1:16                   ` Matt Mackall
2004-01-08 10:32             `  Éric Brunet
2004-01-08  5:19 Iqbal
2004-01-12  9:09 Ling, Xiaofeng
2004-01-12 13:02 Nicolas Mailhot

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