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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>, Ray Lee <ray@madrabbit.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Marc Haber <mh+linux-kernel@zugschlus.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mmcgrath@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Why does reading from /dev/urandom deplete entropy so much?
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:40:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071204204036.484f11ac@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071204195021.GB7259@thunk.org>

> Alan, are you sure you're not talking about Helge Deller's attempt to
> push a Time-based UUID generator into the kernel because you can get
> duplicates from the current userspace library?

Yes

> I've not heard of *any* claim where the kernel uuid random generator
> has been returning duplicates.

Then the original reports got lost somewhere.

The Fedora tools use a kernel random uuid for system identifiers (to
preserve anonymity while allowing system profiles etc to be generated and
to know which are duplicates).

We seen a huge number of duplicates for certain values:

>From Mike McGrath (added to Cc)

> Here's the top 5:
>
>    266 28caf2c3-9766-4fe1-9e4c-d6b0ba8a0132
>    336 810e7126-1c69-4aff-b8b1-9db0fa8aa15a
>    402 c8dbb9d3-a9bd-4ba6-b92e-4a294ba5a95f
>    884 06e84493-e024-44b1-9b32-32d78af04039
>    931 e2b67e1d-e325-4740-b938-795addb45280
>
> The left number is times this month someone has submitted a profile with
> that UUID.  If we take the last one as an example has come from over 800
> IP's in the last 20 days.  It seems very unlikely that one person would
> find his way to 800 different IP's this month.  Let me know if you'd
> like more.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-04 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-04 11:41 Why does reading from /dev/urandom deplete entropy so much? Marc Haber
2007-12-04 14:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-12-04 16:18 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-04 16:47   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 18:17     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-12-05 21:26       ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-06  7:02         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-12-06 16:09           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-09 12:42         ` Marc Haber
2007-12-09 16:16           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-10 23:06             ` Marc Haber
2007-12-10 23:35               ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-11  1:34                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-11 19:46                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-12-11 20:02                     ` Ray Lee
2007-12-12  5:34                     ` David Schwartz
2007-12-04 16:54   ` Ray Lee
2007-12-04 16:55     ` Alan Cox
2007-12-04 18:02       ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-04 19:50         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-04 20:36           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-04 20:40           ` Alan Cox [this message]
2007-12-04 20:48             ` Mike McGrath
2007-12-04 21:54               ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-04 22:03               ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-04 22:12                 ` Mike McGrath
2007-12-04 22:28                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-04 21:08             ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-04 21:18               ` Mike McGrath
2007-12-04 22:15                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-04 22:23                   ` Mike McGrath
2007-12-04 22:33                     ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-05 14:26                       ` Mike McGrath
2007-12-05 14:49                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08  7:38                           ` Jon Masters
2007-12-08 17:32                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08 17:33                               ` Mike McGrath
2007-12-08 17:49                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08 17:54                                   ` Jon Masters
2007-12-08 18:15                                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-08 18:24                                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08 19:36                                     ` entropy gathering (was Re: Why does reading from /dev/urandom deplete entropy so much?) Jeff Garzik
2007-12-08 19:53                                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-08 20:04                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-08 20:19                                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-08 21:07                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-08 20:31                                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08 20:47                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-08 20:42                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-08 23:47                                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-09  1:07                                           ` Jon Masters
2007-12-08 18:31                                   ` Why does reading from /dev/urandom deplete entropy so much? Jeff Garzik
2007-12-08 20:26                                     ` David Schwartz
2007-12-08 17:43                               ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-08 17:47                                 ` Jon Masters
2007-12-08 18:05                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08 17:45                               ` Jon Masters
2007-12-10 16:37                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-04 18:01     ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-06 20:08       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-05 12:23     ` Marc Haber
2007-12-05 12:29   ` Marc Haber
2007-12-05 13:33     ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-05 15:10       ` Marc Haber
2007-12-06 19:32   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-08 22:03     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-08 22:10       ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-12-08 23:46         ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-09  5:21           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-12-09  6:52             ` Jon Masters
2007-12-09  6:21           ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-12-09 12:31             ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-09 14:06               ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-12-11 15:42       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-12-20 22:27         ` Marc Haber
2007-12-26 18:27           ` Phillip Susi
2007-12-04 18:49 ` Russ Dill

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