From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
John Stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Frank Mayhar <fmayhar@google.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/52] vfs scalability patches updated
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 21:01:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100702040151.GA2370@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilZHnTiTJRYtYAkAChvAZKy-ZD-7M0y5o3hvRr1@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 10:35:35AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> That's a pretty big ouch. Why does RCU freeing of inodes cause that
> >> much regression? The RCU freeing is out of line, so where does the big
> >> impact come from?
> >
> > That comes mostly from inability to reuse the cache-hot inode structure,
> > and the cost to go over the deferred RCU list and free them after they
> > get cache cold.
>
> I do wonder if this isn't a big design bug.
>
> Most of the time with RCU, we don't need to wait to actually do the
> _freeing_ of the individual data structure, we only need to make sure
> that the data structure remains of the same _type_. IOW, we can free
> it (and re-use it), but the backing storage cannot be released to the
> page cache. That's what SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU should give us.
>
> Is that not possible in this situation? Do we really need to keep the
> inode _identity_ around for RCU?
In this case, the workload can be very update-heavy, so this type-safe
(vs. identity-safe) approach indeed makes a lot of sense. But if this
was a read-heavy situation (think SELinux or many areas in networking),
the read-side simplifications and speedups that often come with
identity safety would probably more than make up for the occasional
grace-period-induced cache miss.
So, as a -very- rough rule of thumb, when less than a few percent
of the accesses are updates, you most likely want identity safety.
If more than half of the accesses can be updates, you probably want
SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU-style type safety instead -- or maybe just straight
locking. If you are somewhere in between, pick one randomly, if
it works, go with it, otherwise try something else. ;-)
In this situation, a create/rename/delete workload would be quite update
heavy, so, as you say, SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU is well worth looking into.
Thanx, Paul
> If you use just SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU, then inode re-use remains, and
> cache behavior would be much improved. The usual requirement for
> SLAB_DESTROY_BY_RCU is that you only touch a lock (and perhaps
> re-validate the identity) in the RCU-reader paths. Could that be made
> to work?
>
> Because that 27% drop really is pretty distressing.
>
> That said, open (of the non-creating kind), close, and stat are
> certainly more important than creating and freeing files. So as a
> trade-off, it's probably the right thing to do. But if we can get all
> the improvement _without_ that big downside, that would obviously be
> better yet.
>
> Linus
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-24 3:02 [patch 00/52] vfs scalability patches updated npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 01/52] kernel: add bl_list npiggin
2010-06-24 6:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-24 14:42 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 16:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-06-28 21:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-06-29 6:30 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 02/52] fs: fix superblock iteration race npiggin
2010-06-29 13:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-29 14:56 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-29 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-29 17:41 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-29 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-29 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-29 20:04 ` Chris Clayton
2010-06-29 20:14 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-29 20:38 ` Chris Clayton
2010-06-30 7:13 ` Chris Clayton
2010-06-30 12:51 ` Al Viro
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 03/52] fs: fs_struct rwlock to spinlock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 04/52] fs: cleanup files_lock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 05/52] lglock: introduce special lglock and brlock spin locks npiggin
2010-06-24 18:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-25 6:22 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-25 9:50 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-25 10:11 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 06/52] fs: scale files_lock npiggin
2010-06-24 7:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-24 15:00 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 07/52] fs: brlock vfsmount_lock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 08/52] fs: scale mntget/mntput npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 09/52] fs: dcache scale hash npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 10/52] fs: dcache scale lru npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 11/52] fs: dcache scale nr_dentry npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 12/52] fs: dcache scale dentry refcount npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 13/52] fs: dcache scale d_unhashed npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 14/52] fs: dcache scale subdirs npiggin
2010-06-24 7:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-24 9:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 15:53 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 15/52] fs: dcache scale inode alias list npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 16/52] fs: dcache RCU for multi-step operaitons npiggin
2010-06-24 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-24 15:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 17:22 ` john stultz
2010-06-24 17:26 ` john stultz
2010-06-25 6:45 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 17/52] fs: dcache remove dcache_lock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 18/52] fs: dcache reduce dput locking npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 19/52] fs: dcache per-bucket dcache hash locking npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 20/52] fs: dcache reduce dcache_inode_lock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 21/52] fs: dcache per-inode inode alias locking npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 22/52] fs: dcache rationalise dget variants npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 23/52] fs: dcache percpu nr_dentry npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 24/52] fs: dcache reduce d_parent locking npiggin
2010-06-24 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-24 15:07 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 15:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-06-24 16:05 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-06-28 21:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-07-07 14:35 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 25/52] fs: dcache DCACHE_REFERENCED improve npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 26/52] fs: icache lock s_inodes list npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 27/52] fs: icache lock inode hash npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 28/52] fs: icache lock i_state npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 29/52] fs: icache lock i_count npiggin
2010-06-30 7:27 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:05 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 2:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-07-01 7:54 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 9:36 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 16:21 ` Frank Mayhar
2010-07-03 2:03 ` Andrew Morton
2010-07-03 3:41 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-03 4:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-07-03 5:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-03 5:18 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-05 22:41 ` Dave Chinner
2010-07-06 4:34 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-06 10:38 ` Theodore Tso
2010-07-06 13:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-07 17:00 ` Frank Mayhar
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 30/52] fs: icache lock lru/writeback lists npiggin
2010-06-24 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-24 15:09 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 15:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 31/52] fs: icache atomic inodes_stat npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 32/52] fs: icache protect inode state npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 33/52] fs: icache atomic last_ino, iunique lock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 34/52] fs: icache remove inode_lock npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 35/52] fs: icache factor hash lock into functions npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 36/52] fs: icache per-bucket inode hash locks npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 37/52] fs: icache lazy lru npiggin
2010-06-24 9:52 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 15:59 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-30 8:38 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 2:46 ` Dave Chinner
2010-07-01 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 38/52] fs: icache RCU free inodes npiggin
2010-06-30 8:57 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:07 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 39/52] fs: icache rcu walk for i_sb_list npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 40/52] fs: dcache improve scalability of pseudo filesystems npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 41/52] fs: icache reduce atomics npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 42/52] fs: icache per-cpu last_ino allocator npiggin
2010-06-24 9:48 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 15:52 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 16:19 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 16:38 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 43/52] fs: icache per-cpu nr_inodes counter npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 44/52] fs: icache per-CPU sb inode lists and locks npiggin
2010-06-30 9:26 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:08 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 3:12 ` Dave Chinner
2010-07-01 8:00 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 45/52] fs: icache RCU hash lookups npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 46/52] fs: icache reduce locking npiggin
2010-06-24 3:02 ` [patch 47/52] fs: keep inode with backing-dev npiggin
2010-06-24 3:03 ` [patch 48/52] fs: icache split IO and LRU lists npiggin
2010-06-24 3:03 ` [patch 49/52] fs: icache scale writeback list locking npiggin
2010-06-24 3:03 ` [patch 50/52] mm: implement per-zone shrinker npiggin
2010-06-24 10:06 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 16:00 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 16:27 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 16:32 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-24 16:37 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-30 6:28 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:03 ` [patch 51/52] fs: per-zone dentry and inode LRU npiggin
2010-06-30 10:09 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:13 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-24 3:03 ` [patch 52/52] fs: icache less I_FREEING time npiggin
2010-06-30 10:13 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:14 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 3:33 ` Dave Chinner
2010-07-01 8:06 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-25 7:12 ` [patch 00/52] vfs scalability patches updated Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-25 8:05 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-30 11:30 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-30 12:40 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 3:56 ` Dave Chinner
2010-07-01 8:20 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 17:36 ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-01 17:23 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 17:28 ` Andi Kleen
2010-07-06 17:49 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-01 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-01 17:52 ` Nick Piggin
2010-07-02 4:01 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2010-06-30 17:08 ` Frank Mayhar
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