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From: Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Platform Driver <platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
	npmccallum@redhat.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	intel-sgx-kernel-dev@lists.01.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	andy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] [PATCH v11 13/13] intel_sgx: in-kernel launch enclave
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:52:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180611115255.GC22164@hmswarspite.think-freely.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVp1ZhrxF5bQDSaZpLucS88tErejj5JC6Jb0fB5etWRbA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:17:13PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Jun 9, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:32 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Launch Enclave (LE) generates cryptographic launch tokens for user
> >> enclaves. A launch token is used by EINIT to check whether the enclave
> >> is authorized to launch or not. By having its own launch enclave, Linux
> >> has full control of the enclave launch process.
> >>
> >> LE is wrapped into a user space proxy program that reads enclave
> >> signatures outputs launch tokens. The kernel-side glue code is
> >> implemented by using the user space helper framework.  The IPC between
> >> the LE proxy program and kernel is handled with an anonymous inode.
> >>
> >> The commit also adds enclave signing tool that is used by kbuild to
> >> measure and sign the launch enclave. CONFIG_INTEL_SGX_SIGNING_KEY points
> >> to a PEM-file for the 3072-bit RSA key that is used as the LE public key
> >> pair. The default location is:
> >>
> >>  drivers/platform/x86/intel_sgx/sgx_signing_key.pem
> >>
> >> If the default key does not exist kbuild will generate a random key and
> >> place it to this location. KBUILD_SGX_SIGN_PIN can be used to specify
> >> the passphrase for the LE public key.
> >
> > It seems to me that it might be more useful to just commit a key pair
> > into the kernel.  As far as I know, there is no security whatsoever
> > gained by keeping the private key private, so why not make
> > reproducible builds easier by simply fixing the key?
> 
> Having thought about this some more, I think that you should
> completely remove support for specifying a key. Provide a fixed key
> pair, hard code the cache, and call it a day. If you make the key
> configurable, every vendor that has any vendor keys (Debian, Ubuntu,
> Fedora, Red Hat, SuSE, Clear Linux, etc) will see that config option
> and set up their own key pair for no gain whatsoever.  Instead, it'll
> give some illusion of security and it'll slow down operations in a VM
> guest due to swapping out the values of the MSRs.  And, if the code to
> support a locked MSR that just happens to have the right value stays
> in the kernel, then we'll risk having vendors actually ship one
> distro's public key hash, and that will seriously suck.
> 
If you hard code the key pair however, doesn't that imply that anyone can sign a
user space binary as a launch enclave, and potentially gain control of the token
granting process?  It was my understanding that the value of the key pair was
that the end user was guaranteed autonomy and security over which processes
could start enclaves.  By publishing a fixed key pair, it seems to remove that
ability.

What would be nicer (I think) would be the abilty to specify both the public and
the private key at run time.  the use case here is not one in which a vendor or
os distribution ships a key pair, but one in which a downstream user doesn't
want a vendor/os distribution to have any cryptographic information installed on
their system

Neil

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-11 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-08 17:09 [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 01/13] compiler.h, kasan: add __SANITIZE_ADDRESS__ check for __no_kasan_or_inline Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 02/13] x86, sgx: updated MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 03/13] x86, sgx: add SGX definitions to cpufeature Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 04/13] x86, sgx: add SGX definitions to msr-index.h Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:25   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 13:18     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 14:01       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-21 17:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 05/13] x86, cpufeatures: add Intel-defined SGX leaf CPUID_12_EAX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 06/13] crypto: aesni: add minimal build option for SGX LE Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:27   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-11 15:24     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 07/13] x86, sgx: detect Intel SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:36   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 21:36     ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25  7:39       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 13:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-11 11:35   ` Neil Horman
2018-06-19 13:34     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 08/13] x86, sgx: added ENCLS wrappers Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:43   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 13:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-20 13:12   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:16     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 09/13] x86, sgx: basic routines for enclave page cache Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:21   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-18 21:33     ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25  7:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 14:08     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 15:44       ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-08 18:24   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 14:57     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 15:19       ` Neil Horman
2018-06-19 15:32       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-25  9:01         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 15:59       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-10  5:32   ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-11 15:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-20 13:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:21     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-25 16:14       ` Neil Horman
2018-06-20 15:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:21     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 10/13] intel_sgx: driver for Intel Software Guard Extensions Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 19:35   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 13:29     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 11/13] intel_sgx: ptrace() support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:34   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-11 15:02     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-19 13:38       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 12/13] intel_sgx: driver documentation Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:32   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-19 13:30     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 21:41   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-06-19 13:31     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 13/13] intel_sgx: in-kernel launch enclave Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:50   ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 15:05     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-10  5:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-11  5:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-11 11:52       ` Neil Horman [this message]
2018-06-12  4:55         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 17:45           ` Neil Horman
2018-06-18 21:58             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 13:17               ` Neil Horman
2018-06-20 16:28               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-20 18:16                 ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-20 18:39                   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-20 21:01                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-21 12:32                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-21 15:29                         ` Neil Horman
2018-06-21 19:11                           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-21 21:20                             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25 21:00                               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-25 22:35                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-21 22:48                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 21:06                               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-25 23:40                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25  9:41                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-25 15:45                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 21:28                             ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-26  8:43                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-26 15:01                               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-27 15:31                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-21 12:12                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-25  9:27                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-25 21:26                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-20  7:23       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Pavel Machek
2018-06-19 14:59   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 20:04     ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-19 20:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 21:48       ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-09 20:06         ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10  7:47           ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-10  8:27             ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10 23:12               ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-11 18:10                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-11 18:31                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-19 20:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-21 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-06-25  9:44   ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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