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From: Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
To: Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>
Cc: sean.j.christopherson@intel.com, jethro@fortanix.com,
	luto@kernel.org, jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	intel-sgx-kernel-dev@lists.01.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	dvhart@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, andy@infradead.org,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] [PATCH v11 13/13] intel_sgx: in-kernel launch enclave
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:29:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180621152903.GB1324@hmswarspite.think-freely.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOASepN1AtgEhobJUVh=rcsQ_Qt8ujoEhnivV-29y=-AiyJwZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 08:32:25AM -0400, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:02 PM Sean Christopherson
> <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:39:00AM -0700, Jethro Beekman wrote:
> > > On 2018-06-20 11:16, Jethro Beekman wrote:
> > > > > This last bit is also repeated in different words in Table 35-2 and
> > > > > Section 42.2.2. The MSRs are *not writable* before the write-lock bit
> > > > > itself is locked. Meaning the MSRs are either locked with Intel's key
> > > > > hash, or not locked at all.
> > >
> > > Actually, this might be a documentation bug. I have some test hardware and I
> > > was able to configure the MSRs in the BIOS and then read the MSRs after boot
> > > like this:
> > >
> > > MSR 0x3a 0x0000000000040005
> > > MSR 0x8c 0x20180620aaaaaaaa
> > > MSR 0x8d 0x20180620bbbbbbbb
> > > MSR 0x8e 0x20180620cccccccc
> > > MSR 0x8f 0x20180620dddddddd
> > >
> > > Since this is not production hardware, it could also be a CPU bug of course.
> > >
> > > If it is indeed possible to configure AND lock the MSR values to non-Intel
> > > values, I'm very much in favor of Nathaniels proposal to treat the launch
> > > enclave like any other firmware blob.
> >
> > It's not a CPU or documentation bug (though the latter is arguable).
> > SGX has an activation step that is triggered by doing a WRMSR(0x7a)
> > with bit 0 set.  Until SGX is activated, the SGX related bits in
> > IA32_FEATURE_CONTROL cannot be set, i.e. SGX can't be enabled.  But,
> > the LE hash MSRs are fully writable prior to activation, e.g. to
> > allow firmware to lock down the LE key with a non-Intel value.
> >
> > So yes, it's possible to lock the MSRs to a non-Intel value.  The
> > obvious caveat is that whatever blob is used to write the MSRs would
> > need be executed prior to activation.
> 
> This implies that it should be possible to create MSR activation (and
> an embedded launch enclave?) entirely as a UEFI module. The kernel
> would still get to manage who has access to /dev/sgx and other
> important non-cryptographic policy details. Users would still be able
> to control the cryptographic policy details (via BIOS Secure Boot
> configuration that exists today). Distributions could still control
> cryptographic policy details via signing of the UEFI module with their
> own Secure Boot key (or using something like shim). The UEFI module
> (and possibly the external launch enclave) could be distributed via
> linux-firmware.
> 
> Andy/Neil, does this work for you?
> 
I need some time to digest it.  Who in your mind is writing the UEFI module.  Is
that the firmware vendor or IHV?

Neil

> > As for the SDM, it's a documentation... omission?  SGX activation
> > is intentionally omitted from the SDM.  The intended usage model is
> > that firmware will always do the activation (if it wants SGX enabled),
> > i.e. post-firmware software will only ever "see" SGX as disabled or
> > in the fully activated state, and so the SDM doesn't describe SGX
> > behavior prior to activation.  I believe the activation process, or
> > at least what is required from firmware, is documented in the BIOS
> > writer's guide.
> >
> > > Jethro Beekman | Fortanix
> > >
> >
> >

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-21 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-08 17:09 [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 01/13] compiler.h, kasan: add __SANITIZE_ADDRESS__ check for __no_kasan_or_inline Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 02/13] x86, sgx: updated MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 03/13] x86, sgx: add SGX definitions to cpufeature Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 04/13] x86, sgx: add SGX definitions to msr-index.h Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:25   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 13:18     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 14:01       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-21 17:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 05/13] x86, cpufeatures: add Intel-defined SGX leaf CPUID_12_EAX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 06/13] crypto: aesni: add minimal build option for SGX LE Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:27   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-11 15:24     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 07/13] x86, sgx: detect Intel SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:36   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 21:36     ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25  7:39       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 13:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-11 11:35   ` Neil Horman
2018-06-19 13:34     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 08/13] x86, sgx: added ENCLS wrappers Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:43   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 13:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-20 13:12   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:16     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 09/13] x86, sgx: basic routines for enclave page cache Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:21   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-18 21:33     ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25  7:36       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 14:08     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 15:44       ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-08 18:24   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 14:57     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 15:19       ` Neil Horman
2018-06-19 15:32       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-25  9:01         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 15:59       ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-10  5:32   ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-11 15:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-20 13:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:21     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-25 16:14       ` Neil Horman
2018-06-20 15:26   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25  9:21     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 10/13] intel_sgx: driver for Intel Software Guard Extensions Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 19:35   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-19 13:29     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 11/13] intel_sgx: ptrace() support Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:34   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-11 15:02     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-19 13:38       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 12/13] intel_sgx: driver documentation Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:32   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-19 13:30     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 21:41   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-06-19 13:31     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 17:09 ` [PATCH v11 13/13] intel_sgx: in-kernel launch enclave Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-08 18:50   ` [intel-sgx-kernel-dev] " Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 15:05     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-10  5:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-11  5:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-11 11:52       ` Neil Horman
2018-06-12  4:55         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-12 17:45           ` Neil Horman
2018-06-18 21:58             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-19 13:17               ` Neil Horman
2018-06-20 16:28               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-20 18:16                 ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-20 18:39                   ` Jethro Beekman
2018-06-20 21:01                     ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-21 12:32                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-21 15:29                         ` Neil Horman [this message]
2018-06-21 19:11                           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-21 21:20                             ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-25 21:00                               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-25 22:35                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-21 22:48                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 21:06                               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-25 23:40                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25  9:41                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-25 15:45                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-25 21:28                             ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-26  8:43                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-26 15:01                               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-27 15:31                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-21 12:12                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-25  9:27                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-25 21:26                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2018-06-20  7:23       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v11 00/13] Intel SGX1 support Pavel Machek
2018-06-19 14:59   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-06-19 20:04     ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-19 20:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-19 21:48       ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-09 20:06         ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10  7:47           ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-10  8:27             ` Pavel Machek
2018-12-10 23:12               ` Josh Triplett
2018-12-11 18:10                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-11 18:31                   ` Sean Christopherson
2018-06-19 20:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-21 12:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-06-25  9:44   ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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