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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
To: joel@joelfernandes.org
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
	j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, dlustig@nvidia.com,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools: memory-model: Document that the LKMM can easily miss control dependencies
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 16:12:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201004231225.GN29330@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201004210747.GA4078883@google.com>

On Sun, Oct 04, 2020 at 05:07:47PM -0400, joel@joelfernandes.org wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 09:40:22PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > Add a small section to the litmus-tests.txt documentation file for
> > the Linux Kernel Memory Model explaining that the memory model often
> > fails to recognize certain control dependencies.
> > 
> > Suggested-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
> 
> Reviewed-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@joelfernandes.org>

Good addition!  Applied, and thank you all!!!

							Thanx, Paul

> thanks,
> 
>  - Joel
> 
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> >  tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt |   17 +++++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+)
> > 
> > Index: usb-devel/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
> > ===================================================================
> > --- usb-devel.orig/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
> > +++ usb-devel/tools/memory-model/Documentation/litmus-tests.txt
> > @@ -946,6 +946,23 @@ Limitations of the Linux-kernel memory m
> >  	carrying a dependency, then the compiler can break that dependency
> >  	by substituting a constant of that value.
> >  
> > +	Conversely, LKMM sometimes doesn't recognize that a particular
> > +	optimization is not allowed, and as a result, thinks that a
> > +	dependency is not present (because the optimization would break it).
> > +	The memory model misses some pretty obvious control dependencies
> > +	because of this limitation.  A simple example is:
> > +
> > +		r1 = READ_ONCE(x);
> > +		if (r1 == 0)
> > +			smp_mb();
> > +		WRITE_ONCE(y, 1);
> > +
> > +	There is a control dependency from the READ_ONCE to the WRITE_ONCE,
> > +	even when r1 is nonzero, but LKMM doesn't realize this and thinks
> > +	that the write may execute before the read if r1 != 0.  (Yes, that
> > +	doesn't make sense if you think about it, but the memory model's
> > +	intelligence is limited.)
> > +
> >  2.	Multiple access sizes for a single variable are not supported,
> >  	and neither are misaligned or partially overlapping accesses.
> >  

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-04 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-01  4:51 Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-01 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 16:36   ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 18:39     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-01 19:29       ` Al Viro
2020-10-01 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:01     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 13:22     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-03 15:16       ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-03 17:13         ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Alan Stern
2020-10-03 22:50           ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-10-04  1:40           ` [PATCH] tools: memory-model: Document that the LKMM can easily miss control dependencies Alan Stern
2020-10-04 21:07             ` joel
2020-10-04 23:12               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2020-10-05 15:15           ` Bug in herd7 [Was: Re: Litmus test for question from Al Viro] Luc Maranget
2020-10-05 15:53             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 16:52               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 18:19                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 19:18                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 19:48                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-06 16:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-06 17:05                         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 17:50                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-07 19:40                             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-07 22:38                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08  2:25                                 ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08  2:50                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-08 14:01                                     ` Alan Stern
2020-10-08 18:32                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 15:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-04 23:31       ` Litmus test for question from Al Viro Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  2:38         ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05  8:20           ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05  9:12             ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:23               ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:13                 ` Will Deacon
2020-10-05 15:16                   ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 15:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-05 15:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:16             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05 14:24             ` Alan Stern
2020-10-05 14:44             ` joel
2020-10-05 15:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-05  8:36         ` David Laight
2020-10-05 13:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03 16:08     ` joel
2020-10-03 16:11       ` joel
2020-10-04 23:13         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-10-03  2:35   ` Jon Masters
2020-10-04 23:32     ` Paul E. McKenney

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