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From: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@gmx.com>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"regressions@lists.linux.dev" <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
	ksummit@lists.linux.dev,
	Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 11:05:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221002150522.ul4nbtfawqjhnsag@meerkat.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79bb605a-dab8-972d-aa4a-a5e5ee49387c@gmx.com>

On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 12:49:04PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
> I've mentioned it a dozen times already - you're unhappy with emails
> from bugzilla? Go there and unsubscribe. It takes a minute and we're
> talking as if it's the actual issue we are dealing with. It's not.
> Bugzilla maintenance and its up-to-date status are the issues.

I think you're working from the wrong conception that maintainers want to
receive (or even be aware) of bug reports. Maintainers want *PATCHES*, not bug
reports. You're asking senior engineers to do first-line QA.

This is why your suggestion to auto-subscribe maintainers to bug reports is
the absolutely wrong way to go about it. The maintainers will complain that
they're being inundated with spam and junk reports, and bug reporters will
complain that they are being treated rudely (because this is how a senior
engineer trying to get succinct information comes across). You know that meme
from Fallout with the words "[Everyone hated that]" on it?

> > And if we force developers to get Bugzilla spam whether they want it
> > not, and they said, "absolutely not", is it there right to have the
> > mailing list gateway disabled --- and if so, what does that do to the
> > user experience?  Thats basically the situation we have right now.
> 
> As I've said many times already: bugzilla must be an opt-out, not opt-in
> experience/option.

Please listen to the actual maintainers telling you that this won't work and
will just lead to bugzilla being added to everyone's block list (that's even
faster than logging in to bugzilla, finding where to change the default
assignee, etc).

-K

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-02 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-29 11:19 Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 11:33 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 12:22   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 12:52     ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:09       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:21         ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:23         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:04     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 13:31       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:43         ` Greg KH
2022-09-29 13:53         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 14:22           ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 14:54             ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:42               ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-29 19:00                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30  9:35                 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30 13:23                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 16:19                     ` Bird, Tim
2022-09-30 16:34                       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 16:47                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-01  1:18                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01  2:47                             ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-01  7:57                             ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-10-01 13:01                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-03  6:55                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-09-30 17:36                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 16:36                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-09-30 17:28                       ` Luck, Tony
2022-09-30 17:49                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 20:04                         ` Randy Dunlap
2022-09-30 20:29                           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 15:31             ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-09-29 15:39               ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-29 16:06               ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 20:26                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30  8:47       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-30  9:03         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-30 10:37           ` Slade Watkins
2022-09-30 15:32           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 11:44             ` Jani Nikula
2022-09-29 15:26     ` James Bottomley
2022-09-30  8:52       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-09-29 13:47   ` Steven Rostedt
2022-09-29 14:02     ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-09-29 14:12       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-01 10:30   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:39     ` Greg KH
2022-10-01 10:47       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 10:57         ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 11:21           ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-01 11:34             ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-01 13:07               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-01 14:58                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 12:18                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-02 12:49                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:35                       ` Greg KH
2022-10-02 19:27                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 20:56                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:07                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 21:27                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:40                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:57                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 14:48                       ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 19:37                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:11                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 21:38                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 15:05                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev [this message]
2022-10-02 19:43                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:54                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:07                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 21:32                               ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 21:53                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  6:37                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03  7:49                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:04                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 15:56                       ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 17:22                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 16:08                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:10                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 16:32                         ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 18:56                           ` Joe Perches
2022-10-02 19:46                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 17:57                       ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:55                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:40                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 18:13                       ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 20:14                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:08                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:20                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 22:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 23:04                               ` Al Viro
2022-10-02 23:21                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03  7:41                                 ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  8:55                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03  9:15                                     ` David Laight
2022-10-03  9:16                                     ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03  9:26                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-03  9:40                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-03 10:26                                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-10-03 14:20                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 18:24                                             ` Al Viro
2022-10-03 19:07                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 20:28                                                 ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-04 12:16                                             ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 12:32                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 22:45                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 14:22                                       ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 12:21                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:20                                           ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-06 10:46                                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-06 19:29                                           ` Greg KH
2022-10-03 15:37                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04  7:37                                       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04  7:56                                         ` Conor Dooley
2022-10-04 12:24                                       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-04 14:48                                         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-02 20:41                         ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 20:52                           ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 21:06                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 22:18                           ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-02 22:41                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 23:59                             ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02 18:17                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02 20:17                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:48                           ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-02 19:59                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 20:19                         ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02 20:26                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02 13:25                     ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-02  9:03             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  9:06               ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02  9:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  7:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-02  8:23       ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-02  8:53         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-02  9:14         ` Takashi Iwai
2022-10-03 10:10   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 11:18     ` Slade Watkins
2022-10-03 12:59       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-03 15:26         ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:44           ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 15:51             ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-03 15:59               ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-03 16:03                 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-10-04  8:41           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04  9:20             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 10:16               ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 10:45                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-10-04 17:53 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 18:02   ` Greg KH
2022-10-04 18:13     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 18:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-04 18:11     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 19:21   ` Jani Nikula
2022-10-04 19:24     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-04 20:06   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-04 20:25     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-05  9:00       ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-05  9:57         ` Hans de Goede
2022-10-12 16:12           ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-06  7:56   ` Artem S. Tashkinov
2022-10-17 13:57   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-10-17 20:47     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-10-18 16:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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