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From: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
To: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	bristot@redhat.com, vschneid@redhat.com, gautham.shenoy@amd.com,
	kprateek.nayak@amd.com, aaron.lu@intel.com, clm@meta.com,
	tj@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev, kernel-team@meta.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v2 5/7] sched: Implement shared runqueue in CFS
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 23:05:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230713040519.GB260054@maniforge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a70eaa87-2afa-a5c7-a463-7199744cefa4@bytedance.com>

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 11:43:50AM +0800, Abel Wu wrote:
> On 7/13/23 6:16 AM, David Vernet wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 06:47:26PM +0800, Abel Wu wrote:
> > > > + *
> > > > + * HOW
> > > > + * ===
> > > > + *
> > > > + * An shared_runq is comprised of a list, and a spinlock for synchronization.
> > > > + * Given that the critical section for a shared_runq is typically a fast list
> > > > + * operation, and that the shared_runq is localized to a single LLC, the
> > > > + * spinlock will typically only be contended on workloads that do little else
> > > > + * other than hammer the runqueue.
> > > 
> > > Would there be scalability issues on large LLCs?
> > 
> > See the next patch in the series [0] where we shard the per-LLC shared
> > runqueues to avoid contention.
> > 
> > [0]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230710200342.358255-7-void@manifault.com/
> 
> Sorry, I should have read the cover letter more carefully. By sharding,
> the LLC is partitioned into several zones, hence contention is relieved.
> But sharding itself might be tricky. Making the SMT siblings not cross
> shards, as suggested by Peter, is generally a good thing. But I wonder
> if there is any workload might benefit from other sharding form.

IMO for now the best thing to do is keep things simple until we observe
it being a problem in practice. Or to at least plan to address it in a
follow-on patch set when we add support for a dynamic shard sizing.
Proper shard sizing is required to do optimal SMT placement anyways, and
in general will likely have more of an impact on performance.

> > > 
> > > > +
> > > > +	task_rq_unlock(src_rq, p, &src_rf);
> > > > +
> > > > +	raw_spin_rq_lock(rq);
> > > > +	rq_repin_lock(rq, rf);
> > > 
> > > By making it looks more ugly, we can save some cycles..
> > > 
> > > 	if (src_rq != rq) {
> > > 		task_rq_unlock(src_rq, p, &src_rf);
> > > 	} else {
> > > 		rq_unpin_lock(src_rq, src_rf);
> > > 		raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore(&p->pi_lock, src_rf.flags);
> > > 		rq_repin_lock(rq, rf);
> > > 	}
> 
> I forgot the repin part when src_rq != rq, but I'm sure you already got
> my point :)

Yep, I got your main point which was to avoid the extra dropping and
acquiring of the same rq spinlock. FYI for posterity / anyone else
reading, the missing repin isn't sufficient on its own for the src_rq !=
rq path. We also need to reacquire the rq lock.

Thanks again for the helpful reviews.

- David

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-13  4:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-10 20:03 [PATCH v2 0/7] sched: Implement shared runqueue in CFS David Vernet
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] sched: Expose move_queued_task() from core.c David Vernet
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] sched: Move is_cpu_allowed() into sched.h David Vernet
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] sched: Check cpu_active() earlier in newidle_balance() David Vernet
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] sched/fair: Add SHARED_RUNQ sched feature and skeleton calls David Vernet
2023-07-11  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-11 16:19     ` David Vernet
2023-07-12  8:39   ` Abel Wu
2023-07-12 21:34     ` David Vernet
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] sched: Implement shared runqueue in CFS David Vernet
2023-07-11 10:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-11 16:26     ` David Vernet
2023-07-12  6:00   ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-07-12 19:13     ` David Vernet
2023-07-12 10:47   ` Abel Wu
2023-07-12 22:16     ` David Vernet
2023-07-13  3:43       ` Abel Wu
2023-07-13  4:05         ` David Vernet [this message]
2023-07-13  7:58   ` Aaron Lu
2023-07-13  8:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] sched: Shard per-LLC shared runqueues David Vernet
2023-07-11 10:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-11 19:57     ` David Vernet
2023-07-12 10:06       ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-07-12 12:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-10 20:03 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] sched: Move shared_runq to __{enqueue,dequeue}_entity() David Vernet
2023-07-11 10:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-11 16:30     ` David Vernet
2023-07-11 11:42 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] sched: Implement shared runqueue in CFS Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-11 21:33   ` David Vernet
2023-07-21  9:12 ` Gautham R. Shenoy
2023-07-25 20:22   ` David Vernet
2023-08-02  6:32     ` Gautham R. Shenoy

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